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Old 04-07-2015, 12:21 AM   #151
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She said that on a paper humanoid target she was grouping in the 3rd ring... I equated that to about a 12 inch plate. 700 yards is faaaar in my experience. I'm not sure of the stance but lets say prone. I don't see a consistent, tight group happening unmagnified.

And yeah, just some girl I worked with so I don't really trust her much. I've just never shot an AR so I'm was just wondering if she was a crazy good shooter or I just really suck lol


If that's correct, she was aiming 14 ft above the target.

Do the iron sights on an M16 adjust that much?
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Old 04-07-2015, 12:22 AM   #152
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If that's correct, she was aiming 14 ft above the target.

Do the iron sights on an M16 adjust that much?


Perfect. That's what I wanted to see.
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:04 AM   #153
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I wanted an EVO 3 S1 until I saw that Atlantic is releasing an AK-9mm. Choices...
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:05 AM   #154
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I want an EVO 3 S1 until I saw that Atlantic is releasing an AK-9mm. Choices...
That's the one with Uzi mags right? I'll have to get that, too. To go with my AR9.
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:07 AM   #155
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That's the one with Uzi mags right? I'll have to get that, too. To go with my AR9.
It's supposed to take colt mags, which I guess are like Uzi mags?
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:15 AM   #156
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Colion gave a good review of the CZ vs. MP5. Big takeaway is ergos.
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:15 AM   #157
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It's supposed to take colt mags, which I guess are like Uzi mags?
Er, yeah. Modded uzi mags.
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:45 AM   #158
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Colion gave a good review of the CZ vs. MP5. Big takeaway is ergos.
That guy.
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Old 04-07-2015, 02:05 AM   #159
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Colion gave a good review of the CZ vs. MP5. Big takeaway is ergos.
What doesn't Colion like, though? Lately (since his show started) he's basically just an advertiser/maker of gun-porn videos.

And of course he loved it; he was shooting a suppressed F/A SBR!

Joking aside, I know he shot/reviewed the pistol, too. But he was a little inconsistent and I'm not sure I see how the ergos are the big plus. He makes the statement in the SBR vid that "Ergonomically this thing blows the MP5 out of the water. From the charging handle to the safety to the stock, it's just a better feeling gun." But then in the pistol review video, he goes on to complain that the safety digs into his trigger finger... MP5 safety is in almost the exact same location and doesn't dig into your finger, so I don't see how this is a plus; you can't say something is more ergonomic and then complain about how obtrusive/inconvenient it is; that's the opposite of ergonomic. Also, charging handle is almost exactly the same as MP5, as is the mag release (though some MP5's have additional AR-style mag release for more options, which I would say should give the edge to the MP5 if anything). Seems like the only ergo benefit is lighter weight and the AR bolt-release.

My takeaway from watching both those vids was "It does a better job at being a 'modern' submachine gun." So basically, it's new and pretty.

I'm just giving you a hard time/being super critical. The big thing I don't like is I can't stand the look of the pistol grip. The dumb knobby thing on the end. Honestly everything other than that is :thumbsup: and if I had to choose one to actually use, assuming identical reliability, it'd quite possibly be the CZ for the lighter weight to lug around.

But I still say the MP5 is sexier.

I dug out an old MOE grip that I had used to practice stippling at one point, and that I'd painted "Satin Dark Taupe" a year or so ago to put on my AR-15/22 build, and tried to goof around with some distressing. Looks like **** I wet-sanded with 400 grit, which apparently doesn't quite let the black completely show through from underneath, since it spreads the paint particles around once they're sanded off.

You can see my stupid silver piss-ant upper in the pic as well..



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Old 04-07-2015, 11:15 AM   #160
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How did the Scorp feel cheap? I didn't think it was any worse than a plastic fantastic rifle...Tavor, KSG, even the AUG I fondled felt about the same (though the AUG is the Glock of bullpups).

I find the Scorpion ****ing sexy with the detachable/foldable buttstock. I like MP5s but they're in every bit of media.
it felt more like the quality of an m&p15-22 to me. I think the Tavor looks and feels more high quality.

I also hated the grip.
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:16 AM   #161
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The charging handle is most definitely NOT more ergonomic than the MP5. That was one of my main observations.

Installed my SSA last night. Trigger pin is ~0.005" ±0.0003" short - when right side is flush with receiver, left side is recessed into the receiver by the aforementioned amount. Geissele is sending me a new pin and asked for length measurements when I replace it. Texted my FFL, he said he measured a mil-spec ALG pin at 0.896" and SSA pin at 0.893". My ALG pin is 0.899" ±0.001".
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:28 AM   #162
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I've thought about doing this with just rattle-cans and some 1500-or-so grit sandpaper (perhaps a rag with a dab of some mineral spirits to speed up certain spots) to my AR. It would suck if I ended up getting stuck moving and having to sell it (no one would buy it hahah).

I'm still thinking about it, though, since the AR is kind of a mess already. I used anti-sieze on the barrel nut threads since the instructions said to if you had some. Apparently it is really hard to strip off and all attempts to wipe/strip/remove it have just spread it all around making my entire upper and part of my rail a gray-ish silver color. I have one more stripping agent to try, and if that doesn't work I'll probably just go for it.

It's a little (ok, a lot) poser, but I think it looks cool and I would realistically never have enough money to be able to actually run a gun hard enough to get that look, haha, so why not.
Pretty much this.

I'd just krylon your rifle and dry fire and handle it a lot. Those mechanix gloves with the grip on the palm wear it down pretty fast.
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Old 04-07-2015, 03:47 PM   #163
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Pretty much this.

I'd just krylon your rifle and dry fire and handle it a lot. Those mechanix gloves with the grip on the palm wear it down pretty fast.
I'm leaning towards just not being such a pansy and leaving it as-is, after doing some experimenting on a PMag, an A2 grip, and some cardboard that I traced my rifle onto and then cut out for a trial run last night. I think whatever I paint it with, I'll hate within a week anyway.

It just sucks because most of the reason I built the AR was to use it for pictures, and I can't get this **** off of it to do so... Maybe I'll give the aircraft remover a try this evening.
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:20 PM   #164
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I finally got my hands on an 308 AR carbine buffer (it's one weight shorter than a standard carbine buffer, aka 1") and tried it with the MVB stock and a standard spring. It is just barely too long. It's unfortunate, because the long 9mm buffer I was using is exactly 1" longer than the standard carbine buffer. And the AR 308 carbine buffer is 1" longer than the "usable" portion of the MVB buffer.

So logic would dictate that it would work, but it seems MVB made their buffer and tube the exact length necessary for a 5.56 to function.

Guess I have to play the weight game.
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:35 PM   #165
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I finally got my hands on an 308 AR carbine buffer (it's one weight shorter than a standard carbine buffer, aka 1") and tried it with the MVB stock and a standard spring. It is just barely too long. It's unfortunate, because the long 9mm buffer I was using is exactly 1" longer than the standard carbine buffer. And the AR 308 carbine buffer is 1" longer than the "usable" portion of the MVB buffer.

So logic would dictate that it would work, but it seems MVB made their buffer and tube the exact length necessary for a 5.56 to function.

Guess I have to play the weight game.
How far off is it? I don't completely understand what's going on or what you need, but is it close enough that you could do some filing?
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:42 PM   #166
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How far off is it? I don't completely understand what's going on or what you need, but is it close enough that you could do some filing?
I'm gonna see. It's probably 1/8" too long.

If I shake the buffer, I can hear some rattling, so if there's a spacer or room, I could cut the end off the buffer, re-drill the hole for the roll pin and that would work.

I'll try to reiterate what's going on...the MVB ARC uses a special buffer that fits into the back of the BCG, so the overall length is shorter but there's still enough weight. 9mm BCGs have a built in tungsten weight (since it's a blowback system) and I can't use the ARC buffer with that weight in there.

So I either use the proprietary buffer/spring and lose the large weight on the BCG and hope I can get enough weight in the buffer alone. Or I use a shortened standard buffer, retain the BCG weight, and for sure have enough weight (while having a relatively "standard" buffer/spring system).
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:09 PM   #167
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All this talk of painting has me back on track for my cerakoat project. Thoughts on duracoat vs cera? Anyone do their own? Helpful hints? I don't mind the oven steps and it seams like a better coating.
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All this talk of painting has me back on track for my cerakoat project. Thoughts on duracoat vs cera? Anyone do their own? Helpful hints? I don't mind the oven steps and it seams like a better coating.
No personal experience with duracoat but it sounds like a pretty significantly inferior coating vs Cerakote.

All of the Cerakoted stuff I have is super tough. I recommend it.
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scored a nice condition Competition Kit. Decided to eff around and put it on some different guns I have. (Long barrel with weight and bushing installed in a standard slide)





I'll harvest the parts, put a new normal barrel in it and sell the "stock" setup for 85% of what I paid
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I want.
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I'm gonna see. It's probably 1/8" too long.

If I shake the buffer, I can hear some rattling, so if there's a spacer or room, I could cut the end off the buffer, re-drill the hole for the roll pin and that would work.

I'll try to reiterate what's going on...the MVB ARC uses a special buffer that fits into the back of the BCG, so the overall length is shorter but there's still enough weight. 9mm BCGs have a built in tungsten weight (since it's a blowback system) and I can't use the ARC buffer with that weight in there.

So I either use the proprietary buffer/spring and lose the large weight on the BCG and hope I can get enough weight in the buffer alone. Or I use a shortened standard buffer, retain the BCG weight, and for sure have enough weight (while having a relatively "standard" buffer/spring system).
Ever thing of using a delrin spacer to get rid of the space? ( like you use with JP captured buffers in rifle length tubes?

I think I have one laying around that you could cut a disc off of.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:57 PM   #172
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She said that on a paper humanoid target she was grouping in the 3rd ring... I equated that to about a 12 inch plate. 700 yards is faaaar in my experience. I'm not sure of the stance but lets say prone. I don't see a consistent, tight group happening unmagnified.

And yeah, just some girl I worked with so I don't really trust her much. I've just never shot an AR so I'm was just wondering if she was a crazy good shooter or I just really suck lol
Check out the President's Hundred tab. Competition shooting for military and civilians, one phase of the rifle competition is at 600 yards...with irons. Maybe ask her if she has heard of it or competed in something similar.
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Ever thing of using a delrin spacer to get rid of the space? ( like you use with JP captured buffers in rifle length tubes?

I think I have one laying around that you could cut a disc off of.
I'm not so much worried about minimizing the cycling distance as I would rather use readily available parts and ensure I have enough weight cycling.
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Old 04-08-2015, 04:45 PM   #174
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Got my shipping notification for the CZ...should (hopefully) be here Friday
Also, another Steel Plate Challenge weekend, another **** forecast. So far, since getting the necessary stuff to do it, I'm 3 for 3 on rainouts.
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