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Old 04-21-2014, 01:53 PM   #76
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720p = holdover from console gaming bakc in the day; I realize that doesn't make sense for a computer these days. I'm looking for something in the <$200 range that won't require SLI. Speakers aren't necessary as I believe most monitors come with garbage speakers anyway; TVs are slightly better in this respect usually? A 32" TV is honestly too big for my space and I don't have a cable box in my room so it's not like I'm watching TV.

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Samsung 22" 1080p slim LED TV
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN22F5000-22-Inch-1080p-60Hz/dp/B00BCGRX9M
ASUS VS239H-P 23" IPS panel (marketing buzzwords!) without speakers, 1920x1080p
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236288
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:59 PM   #77
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IPS is certainly not just a marketing buzzword. It produces better (in almost all cases) color representation at the expense of response time.

Buy the highest rated 24" 1080p monitor you can afford on Newegg.

IPS = should be better color
TN = faster response and probably cheaper
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:05 PM   #78
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I bought a QNIX 2710 2560*1440 monitor off EBay. Shipped from Seoul the next day and had it here in San Diego in 2 days. Paid like $330 shipped I think. Zero dead pixels and only a bit of backlight bleed. Bang for the buck is awesome...

If your card(s) can handle a 1440 resolution, definitely go that way. The clarity is amazing.
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:08 PM   #79
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ASUS VS239H-P 23" IPS panel (marketing buzzwords!) without speakers, 1920x1080p
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236288
After looking around, this looks good to me. I've had good luck with my Asus monitor too.

He's running a single 770? 1440p is just out of reach, IMHO...
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:33 PM   #80
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Single 760 actually.

The ASUS looks really good - interestingly, there is also this model of Dell UltraSharp I'm looking at: http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2312HM-IPS-Monitor/dp/B005LN1JEC/
That's rated at 8ms, however take a look at this review: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:39 PM   #81
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Definitely not 1440p on a 760 doing any modern gaming.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:09 PM   #82
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The thing to remember with buying a TV is that a TV is a TV, not a monitor. They are not automatically going to display the same.

Leave out all the issues with how fuzzy text will look at even just 1080p on a 32" or larger TV(to me, it's readable, but would drive me insane if I had to use it daily even just for email), there's over scan and other issues to deal with. Every TV is different in how it handles displaying your desktop on the screen. These specs are not typically easy found on any basic description and it'll vary from model to model and possibly even within models(the switch out panels and various internal components regularly during production of a specific model, because as long as it meets the specs that were quoted, it's still delivering what they promised to the customer, even if one version supports 1:1 pixel mapping, the other may not).

I know plenty of people who have done it. The only ones I know who still do it are usually using the TV as a secondary monitor just for gaming or watching movies. They all now have at least 1 or 2 regular monitors for daily computer usage.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:11 PM   #83
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ASUS VS239H-P 23" IPS panel (marketing buzzwords!) without speakers, 1920x1080p
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236288
I agree with Jard. I think my monitors at work are two of these, probably one of the many variants out there, but some type of V239 series Asus IPS 1080p panels. Purchased about 7 months ago. I've been pretty happy with them for work stuff.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:13 PM   #84
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So my northbridge heatsink just popped off today... my PC is down for the count till I get a new one.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:15 PM   #85
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At work I have 2 of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824002593

And 2 of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116365

At home I use a 47" LG TV. I'll take what I can get lol
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:54 PM   #86
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19"? Now that's some plebeian ****.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:55 PM   #87
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19"? Now that's some plebeian ****.
Work sucks. But I get 4 of them
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:02 PM   #88
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Talk about overcompensating...
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:25 PM   #89
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To be fair, it's actually two workstations that I've stuffed together to make one. Surveillance open on 3 monitors, other stuff open on 1. Usually.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:50 PM   #90
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Question(s): I built a gaming rig about 6-7 years ago (ancient!).

Would I need to get a different motherboard to get it to run i7/i5 chips? Am I just screwed and have to build from scratch minus the case?

Goal is to build a mid-range gaming rig.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:53 PM   #91
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:05 PM   #92
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Programs are freezing or the OS? Bluescreens? Auto-reboots?

I'd try re-seating the RAM and video card(s) before doing anything else. Also, blowing out all the heat exchangers, if you haven't done so in a while.
a wee bit late, but you can take a look at yore event viewer to see if it's a software issue causing the locks/crashes.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:32 PM   #93
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Asus GTX780 on sale for 489. Thats pretty tempting
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:08 PM   #94
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Not a bad deal at all....
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:52 AM   #95
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Good Morning.

My father's computer is on it's way out (built it for him over 5 years ago). He wants me to build him a new one but I feel out of the loop. I quickly pieced one together in the hopes of receiving some feedback. If anyone would be so kind as to recommend alternatives to my choices or verify if it was any good.

He is not a gamer. He wants a fast computer with a "nice big monitor." Of course, I would like to get the price of this build down a bit if possible.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($76.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: PNY XLR8 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.94 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 1GB Video Card ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell U2412M 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($268.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $889.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:11 AM   #96
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Good Morning.

My father's computer is on it's way out (built it for him over 5 years ago). He wants me to build him a new one but I feel out of the loop. I quickly pieced one together in the hopes of receiving some feedback. If anyone would be so kind as to recommend alternatives to my choices or verify if it was any good.

He is not a gamer. He wants a fast computer with a "nice big monitor." Of course, I would like to get the price of this build down a bit if possible.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($76.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: PNY XLR8 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.94 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 1GB Video Card ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell U2412M 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($268.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $889.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-22 08:48 EDT-0400)
I'm somewhat out of the loop on the newest stuff but that seems reasonable with a monitor. You could probably get a better deal with comparable performance from one of the big computer manufactures. Also, if he is going to be storing media on this computer, 120Gb is not going to last long once the os and programs are installed. I bought a similar SSD for my os associated programs and then a larger traditional HD for media storage. Or you could get just a larger traditional HD and no SSD at the expense of crisp os performance.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:14 AM   #97
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Any chance that anyone knows of a place to get learned on how to optimize graphics /video performance? I have some good hardware but the end result seems less than I expected.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:21 AM   #98
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Good Morning.

My father's computer is on it's way out (built it for him over 5 years ago). He wants me to build him a new one but I feel out of the loop. I quickly pieced one together in the hopes of receiving some feedback. If anyone would be so kind as to recommend alternatives to my choices or verify if it was any good.

He is not a gamer. He wants a fast computer with a "nice big monitor." Of course, I would like to get the price of this build down a bit if possible.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($76.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: PNY XLR8 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.94 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 1GB Video Card ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell U2412M 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($268.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $889.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-22 08:48 EDT-0400)
If he's not a gamer ditch the GPU, integrated will work fine. 16GB of RAM is not necessary, stick with 8. Maybe bump up the SSD a bit?
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:39 AM   #99
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I'm somewhat out of the loop on the newest stuff but that seems reasonable with a monitor. You could probably get a better deal with comparable performance from one of the big computer manufactures. Also, if he is going to be storing media on this computer, 120Gb is not going to last long once the os and programs are installed. I bought a similar SSD for my os associated programs and then a larger traditional HD for media storage. Or you could get just a larger traditional HD and no SSD at the expense of crisp os performance.
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If he's not a gamer ditch the GPU, integrated will work fine. 16GB of RAM is not necessary, stick with 8. Maybe bump up the SSD a bit?
Will the system run integrated graphic as I have it set up? Do I simply have to ditch the GPU or do I need to find a processor/motherboard that supports it?

The SSD is so his operating system boots faster. We have a plethera of old HDD to store media on. I might pick up a giant one later on and transfer everything to that so its in one place (and not delete the smaller HDD).

I thought about 8GB of ram. I might have to reconsider it. If I bought 8 more down the road for him, I just have to make sure it's the same brand/type, right?
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:44 AM   #100
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Will the system run integrated graphic as I have it set up? Do I simply have to ditch the GPU or do I need to find a processor/motherboard that supports it?

The SSD is so his operating system boots faster. We have a plethera of old HDD to store media on. I might pick up a giant one later on and transfer everything to that so its in one place (and not delete the smaller HDD).

I thought about 8GB of ram. I might have to reconsider it. If I bought 8 more down the road for him, I just have to make sure it's the same brand/type, right?
Intel desktop processor all have integrated GPU. You don't need anything else. What's he going to use it for? - unless you have a specific use for 16GB I wouldn't spend the money. If you wanted to upgrade down the line brand doesn't matter so much, matched pairs would be good though.

Is he going to know to use the SSD for only applications and the HDD for everything else?
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