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Old 05-15-2012, 10:09 PM   #151
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Picture of the 993 post #1 during a drive back in the rain. Well, it need a detail anyway.


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Old 05-15-2012, 10:52 PM   #152
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So if your a Porsche newbie you should buy a 911 and from reading the post so far the 993 version is also what you should look at instead of the 996 or 997 due to problems. I'm curious as I have always wanted a Porsche , but have heard maintenance is super expensive.
In regards to "911" only, you are the sole one that can determine that! What you feel or like should by no means be swayed by anyone unless you're making a grave mistake.

The 993 was Porsche's most developed air-cooled design and was given it's best refresh. Is it reliable? You bet. Are the 996-997 designs to be discarded by the wayside? Certainly not, but you should be the one to do research for the 996-997 varieties (look up Serendipity, I'm sure he'll be glad to have a PM chat with you). Your best bet is to do some research and get to know a buddy/buddies who are passionate about the design. I'm not talking about your businessman who uses to go to and fro, but the person who services, sweats, bust knuckles on the machines he/she enjoys. This is who you want as a resource.

Hopefully you don't get overwhelmed and certainly don't get the "love at first sight" syndrome so many newbies acquire when stepping into the unknown.

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Old 05-15-2012, 11:15 PM   #153
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Cars like that are built to last, although the CIS system can be problematic.

Check for oil consumption, rust, general working condition and have at it. Try for a Carrera, but unless you're happy with natural ventilation, FL might not be the place to have one with their weak A/C systems.
It's more of a daydream than a serious search right now, but that's a good point about the A/C. Missouri can be, believe it or not, miserably humid during the summer. IIRC 'normality' during summer is temperatures in the 90s with 60 or 70 percent humidity.

I'll have to keep looking for a solid example since I really don't want to buy somebody's money pit.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:16 PM   #154
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:16 PM   #155
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So if your a Porsche newbie you should buy a 911 and from reading the post so far the 993 version is also what you should look at instead of the 996 or 997 due to problems. I'm curious as I have always wanted a Porsche , but have heard maintenance is super expensive.
If you are even slightly worried about the cost of maintenance you aren't in the financial shape to own a Porsche, even if I gave one to you.

Some people have found certain models to be robust. On older cars how robust is often determined by the previous owners maintenance. But one thing is for certain, you shouldn't even look at a Porsche if you would be put out by a sudden $10k - $20k repair bill if things go wrong. That's just the price of owning these cars. If something goes wrong you have to be able to pony up for the repairs. If not, wait until you are in a position to be able to comfortably be able to afford one. Many people have owned Porsches without anything other than routine maintenance, others end up with the cars parked in the garage unable to afford repairs. That's the way it goes with expensive sports cars.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:32 PM   #156
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I'm here for the gang-bang. First, I'll point out that LN Engineering are actually the leading expert in selling people parts to "preventively replace" their IMS bearing, or stick a very expensive magnet in the oil pan and detect metal particles. That significantly biases their opinion of just what a menace this rather rare failure is... Any 996 owner should buy "996: The Essential Companion" - the author has done impeccable research and provides an amazing amount of info on the car and the (real and perceived) pitfalls.

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Old 05-15-2012, 11:38 PM   #157
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If you are even slightly worried about the cost of maintenance you aren't in the financial shape to own a Porsche, even if I gave one to you.

Some people have found certain models to be robust. On older cars how robust is often determined by the previous owners maintenance. But one thing is for certain, you shouldn't even look at a Porsche if you would be put out by a sudden $10k - $20k repair bill if things go wrong. That's just the price of owning these cars. If something goes wrong you have to be able to pony up for the repairs. If not, wait until you are in a position to be able to comfortably be able to afford one. Many people have owned Porsches without anything other than routine maintenance, others end up with the cars parked in the garage unable to afford repairs. That's the way it goes with expensive sports cars.
Right now cant afford one or the maintenance , but in the next 4-5 years yes I could. I have always loved Porsche's since my best friend in Elem dad who was a gyno had a Green 1970's 911 T . I would like a used early 2000-2003 911 4S
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:19 AM   #158
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Right now cant afford one or the maintenance , but in the next 4-5 years yes I could. I have always loved Porsche's since my best friend in Elem dad who was a gyno had a Green 1970's 911 T . I would like a used early 2000-2003 911 4S

The m96/97 cars really aren't a good value. Engine rebuilds are more expensive and engine life shorter than other 911s. Get a good 993. You'll be glad you did.
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There are some attractive (to an uninformed potential Porsche consumer such as myself) old 911s up on Pelican Parts right now that I would consider. I don't think I could actually pull the trigger to spend that much on something that old when I could get a brand new BRZ for the same money that will be far cheaper and more reliable over the course of ownership. Yes, yes, I know. New vs used, Porsche vs Subaru, etc. Facts remain the same. When it comes down to an emotional vs logical decision, I'll probably end up with something far newer. Part of me still wants an old early 80s 911 widebody, though.
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If you are even slightly worried about the cost of maintenance you aren't in the financial shape to own a Porsche, even if I gave one to you.

Some people have found certain models to be robust. On older cars how robust is often determined by the previous owners maintenance. But one thing is for certain, you shouldn't even look at a Porsche if you would be put out by a sudden $10k - $20k repair bill if things go wrong. That's just the price of owning these cars. If something goes wrong you have to be able to pony up for the repairs. If not, wait until you are in a position to be able to comfortably be able to afford one. Many people have owned Porsches without anything other than routine maintenance, others end up with the cars parked in the garage unable to afford repairs. That's the way it goes with expensive sports cars.
Another very good point. While I can afford the anticipated maintenance I don't really want to spend that kind of money on a car right now. I owned a Porsche while I was stationed in Italy many years ago & still shudder to think of how quickly that car metamorphosized from 'really fun car' to 'money pit'.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:05 PM   #161
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If you are even slightly worried about the cost of maintenance you aren't in the financial shape to own a Porsche, even if I gave one to you.

Some people have found certain models to be robust. On older cars how robust is often determined by the previous owners maintenance. But one thing is for certain, you shouldn't even look at a Porsche if you would be put out by a sudden $10k - $20k repair bill if things go wrong. That's just the price of owning these cars. If something goes wrong you have to be able to pony up for the repairs. If not, wait until you are in a position to be able to comfortably be able to afford one. Many people have owned Porsches without anything other than routine maintenance, others end up with the cars parked in the garage unable to afford repairs. That's the way it goes with expensive sports cars.

I agree mostly though I think you are being a bit of a stickler. A 20k repair bill would be terrible for many owners including myself. Of course it is a real posibilty. If it happens Ill either pony up or simply put the car in storage for a while.

If you are thinking of trying to finance or have a used porsche as your only car, then it is probably not right for you.

If you can buy say a 996 for 25k cash but cant (or won't) afford the additional 20k to fix it should the engine much, that is an acceptable risk. It just means an expensive lesson and you go back to driving your wrx or whatever.
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I have always loved Porsche's since my best friend in Elem dad who was a gyno had a Green 1970's 911 T.
Sounds like my car, but I don't think its original owner was a doctor. After all a lot of early 911s were green; I think I looked at three during my search, including the one I ended up buying.
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There are some attractive (to an uninformed potential Porsche consumer such as myself) old 911s up on Pelican Parts right now that I would consider. I don't think I could actually pull the trigger to spend that much on something that old when I could get a brand new BRZ for the same money that will be far cheaper and more reliable over the course of ownership. Yes, yes, I know. New vs used, Porsche vs Subaru, etc. Facts remain the same. When it comes down to an emotional vs logical decision, I'll probably end up with something far newer. Part of me still wants an old early 80s 911 widebody, though.
Have you driven an old 911?
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:44 PM   #164
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I agree mostly though I think you are being a bit of a stickler. A 20k repair bill would be terrible for many owners including myself. Of course it is a real posibilty. If it happens Ill either pony up or simply put the car in storage for a while.

If you are thinking of trying to finance or have a used porsche as your only car, then it is probably not right for you.

If you can buy say a 996 for 25k cash but cant (or won't) afford the additional 20k to fix it should the engine much, that is an acceptable risk. It just means an expensive lesson and you go back to driving your wrx or whatever.
I don't think the M96 996, 986 or M97 987, 997's makes financial sense over any other Porsche. They haven't retained value, engine rebuilds are more expensive, engine longevity is going to be an issue (you just aren't going to see 200-400k engines based on the design). In my opinion, solely from a value and reliability standpoint, the 993 is the best choice for a 911, though I could see the late 987 and 997's with the 9A1 being a good value soon and lightly used 981 Caymans and Boxsters in 4-5 years. Most people have to think about the financial realities (cost, depreciation, reliability, maintenance, resale value, etc....) unless you are rich, and they just buy whatever the hell you want and don't worry about it.
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Negative, I feel like I would be incredibly disappointed with every facet of the car except it's looks.
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Negative, I feel like I would be incredibly disappointed with every facet of the car except it's looks.
You expect a 30-40 year old car to be as fast as a modern one? In that case, you would be....but it's not really about that. But they do have fantastic brakes, steering that feels like nothing made today and a very visceral feel.

My WRX is faster in probably every measure than my 911, in 1984 it was the fastest car available in the US...times change. OTOH, after having my car for a few months, my uncle let me borrow his S2000 for a few days while I was on vacation. Hated it, it felt numb and boring.

The classic car experience isn't about speed, it's about the experience.
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hey my 84 stock 930 is still faster than an STi . Handling on the other hand is a bit um.....quirky.

Old cars are cool and fun though, its really that simple for me.
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Nice....The first version of GT3 stateside. How is your experience with that car? I have driven the 997.2 GT3 for a bit and it was a proper drive in most all aspects. With that said, PCCB is not an option I would ever choose for pedal modulation and surely cost.


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What's up Matt? Haven't seen you in forever. You still in the area?

Porsche-related, I finished all my electronic "fixes" on the car - replaced the rear K40 sensor (the previous owner had a nice custom install done, but the rear sensor had overheated - I replaced it and mounted the sensor in the tail light assembly) and the head unit - the original fiber-optic bus system wasn't working. It turned out to just be a blown fuse in the head unit but I replaced it with a double-din nav system and put an amp in the front trunk to replace the Bose system.

Now I just need to get the oil changed and continue to enjoy it. At least until the engine explodes, since apparently I bought a throw-away car...
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Nice....The first version of GT3 stateside. How is your experience with that car? I have driven the 997.2 GT3 for a bit and it was a proper drive in most all aspects. With that said, PCCB is not an option I would ever choose for pedal modulation and surely cost.


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It's been great so far. Only have had it for 6 months an 1500 miles. Looking forward to more this summer.

Will eventually replace the pccb with steel.


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What's up Matt? Haven't seen you in forever. You still in the area?

Porsche-related, I finished all my electronic "fixes" on the car - replaced the rear K40 sensor (the previous owner had a nice custom install done, but the rear sensor had overheated - I replaced it and mounted the sensor in the tail light assembly) and the head unit - the original fiber-optic bus system wasn't working. It turned out to just be a blown fuse in the head unit but I replaced it with a double-din nav system and put an amp in the front trunk to replace the Bose system.

Now I just need to get the oil changed and continue to enjoy it. At least until the engine explodes, since apparently I bought a throw-away car...
Yup, working in Gaithersburg for HSUS. As you can probably tell I'm not driving a Subaru anymore but I'm mighty impressed with my little econobox Focus hatch. The thing handles amazingly well and doesn't feel like a cheap car. The only Porsche I've ever driven was a 2005 Cayanne S my mom had and I hated that thing. I wish I could drive a real Porsche some day.
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Good to hear Kapn that your GT is working out. It is a great drive that 996 (one of the choices I was pondering in the great car search).

God willing, I'll post some updated pictures alongside some vintage at Road America over the weekend.

Enjoy this beautiful weekend.


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This seems like as good a place as any, at least without starting a new thread. THis guy has taken a 914, added an sti engine, and grafted in the complete suspension system from a lotus elise. I am sure glad he is using his talents for good instead of evil or we would all be doomed!

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