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Old 10-30-2020, 04:25 PM   #8476
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In general, the IMS isn't that big a deal to replace and wouldn't dissuade me from buying another 997 (I previously owned an '05C2). The bigger worry for me when I was searching was the cylinder bore scoring, which you can't really mitigate with preventative maintenance. That's why I took the S models out of the equation back when I was looking since, like your friend, the 997.2's were out of my price range at the time. Another thing that can be an issue is the rear main seal (RMS) leak - however this would be identified during a PPI so, again, pretty important to have it done and checked.
So the S models have cylinder scoring issues? Bad enough the rings blow out or become out of spec quickly.

Because this is local and I really am wanting to make some irrational decisions. Not like my 2 door, 6speed wrangler is any more practical

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Old 10-30-2020, 04:49 PM   #8477
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So the S models have cylinder scoring issues? Bad enough the rings blow out or become out of spec quickly.

Because this is local and I really am wanting to make some irrational decisions. Not like my 2 door, 6speed wrangler is any more practical
Here's a discussion on how prevalent it is.

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...e-scoring.html

I talked to a few shop owners in the region and they said they saw more of the 3.8L engines with it than the 3.4L, but it definitely necessitates a rebuild if it happens. Of course, something to consider is that even though it is a potential expensive issue, it still probably only affects a small percentage of cars. You could get it scoped to see if it's exhibiting and scoring prior to purchase
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Old 11-02-2020, 01:31 PM   #8478
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Despite the misleading video title, Savagegeese has nothing but glowing things to say about the 992 Carrera S

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Old 11-02-2020, 01:48 PM   #8479
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Despite the misleading video title, Savagegeese has nothing but glowing things to say about the 992 Carrera S

https://youtu.be/ZZsCjD--6x0
Watching it now.... Holy **** thats a lot of Engineering info!
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:16 PM   #8480
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Finally got around to filming my Macan review... I'm no professional, but I gave it a shot.


Also, not bad MPG for a back road trip like this

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Old 11-05-2020, 09:42 AM   #8481
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Well done Kosta! nice and thorough with helpful insight into a bunch of areas. With the versatility it affords you, the Macan really is a terrific platform. It definitely feels much more hot hatch as compared to the Audi or BMW variants which, to me, feel like small SUV's. And yes, you are spending more money on the P-car, but you definitely notice the difference in drive quality and interior fit and finish.
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Old 11-05-2020, 10:14 AM   #8482
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That was a good review Kosta, but you said a potty word. I'm glad you like the car, it's great to like what you have to drive.

Yore MPG is really good especially if you drive spiritedly. Yesterday for the first time I tracked the MPG on my kids truck.......12.3, good thing it never goes too far.

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Old 11-05-2020, 11:52 AM   #8483
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Great review Kosta - enjoyed watching it.

Looks like a great road to drive on too.
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Old 11-05-2020, 12:02 PM   #8484
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Volunteered my car for a friend's detailing business promo video and got a significantly discounted 5 yr Ceramic Pro paint treatment job done.

received_728166987809653 by Ed Kwon, on Flickr

Plus the rear flank PPF were getting nasty from road tar and rock damage and had those pieces stripped and replaced with much larger PPF cutouts with better coverage of rear haunches.

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Old 11-05-2020, 12:33 PM   #8485
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Finally got around to filming my Macan review... I'm no professional, but I gave it a shot.

http://youtu.be/1gDTOc7jALg

Also, not bad MPG for a back road trip like this

So Im actually surprised the MPGs aren't a little better. That's not much better (if at all better) than what I would get in my 2016 Turbo.

I will get somewhere in the low 20's on a longer road trip when heading from Phoenix to CA (I blast through the desert at about 90 for large portions of that drive) and we will get around 15-16 mpg if we use the entire tank in city driving.

Solid review though! However I have 2 comments:

1 - I disagree with you to an extent on the base vs. s. The base feels like you're driving a VW with a different badge. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it just doesn't scream Porsche (nor does it even really feel like Porsche) to me. The motor (the responsiveness, the feel, the sound, etc.) feels more Audi A4 than it does anything Porsche. I'd have a hard time paying the premium for the Porsche badge on a base macan when there are similar options for a decent amount less. Then again, when we bought the Turbo we only compared the S, GTS and Turbo... My experience with the base is through loaners when our's is getting serviced. The jump from a base to a turbo is wildly different. So that will drastically impact my bias.

2 - You pronounced Porsche wrong lol

I absolutely love the Macan platform overall. IMO the Macan Turbo might be the best 'do everything' vehicle on the road.
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Old 11-05-2020, 07:35 PM   #8486
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Volunteered my car for a friend's detailing business promo video and got a significantly discounted 5 yr Ceramic Pro paint treatment job done.

received_728166987809653 by Ed Kwon, on Flickr

Plus the rear flank PPF were getting nasty from road tar and rock damage and had those pieces stripped and replaced with much larger PPF cutouts with better coverage of rear haunches.

received_1290912597937690 by Ed Kwon, on Flickr
Nice.

I removed a summers worth of tar from the 911 just in front of the rear wheels Unfortunately mine is parked for the winter

The PPF is still in pretty decent shape, but man was there a lot of tar.

The ceramic coating makes it much easier to clean Looks great!
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Old 11-05-2020, 07:39 PM   #8487
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Nice.

I removed a summers worth of tar from the 911 just in front of the rear wheels Unfortunately mine is parked for the winter

The PPF is still in pretty decent shape, but man was there a lot of tar.

The ceramic coating makes it much easier to clean Looks great!
Similar story, I was doing what I thought would be a fun run down Topanga Canyon Rd on a Sunday morning, then for some reason the final 2 miles was just littered with road tar gravel all over the road, I should have promp should have turned around but not knowing how long it would stretch out I powered thru and by the time I got to the end of the canyon road I was frantically scrubbing away chunks of tar from my front fender wells and rear flanks with tar remover for an hour.

Took approx 2 professional detail jobs to remove all of it.
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Old 11-06-2020, 10:39 AM   #8488
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Similar story, I was doing what I thought would be a fun run down Topanga Canyon Rd on a Sunday morning, then for some reason the final 2 miles was just littered with road tar gravel all over the road, I should have promp should have turned around but not knowing how long it would stretch out I powered thru and by the time I got to the end of the canyon road I was frantically scrubbing away chunks of tar from my front fender wells and rear flanks with tar remover for an hour.

Took approx 2 professional detail jobs to remove all of it.
The burdens of owning a white car Good work on getting the PPF - I priced it and had a little of sticker shock. Your car continues to be exactly everything I would do if I owned it


Kosta, this was your Porsche review from the begining of the year:
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Yes, I have now been converted to the "the 4cyl sounds terrible" Porsche elitist camp This car did have the sports exhaust, and in sport mode would do some fun burbles on throttle lift... But man, in my opinion it sounds WORSE than Subaru motors. It almost sounded like it was dieseling at times. I never felt the need to listen to it a bit more... Even the GTI does a better job at making fun noises.

The PDK was also a big disappointment for me. I know a lot of folks swear by it, and yes they are damn reliable, but it just doesn't work right in either car I drove. I managed to catch it off guard once or twice, even in sport mode. The shifts are fast yes, but it feels like a video game NOT like a car shifting gears. I believe I brought this up before, but the DSG in the GTI I had actually felt like an "automated manual" which was trying to rev match and felt like a transmission actually rowing gears. I have quite a few in-car videos with that car showing how it drove, and it always worked right. The PDK just worked well during hard 100% throttle application making the transmission shift lightning fast, but it feels like an appliance not a machine.

However all this being said, I have a feeling these will be good buys in 10 years time when they drop below $20k seeing as nobody wants the 4 cylinder. Its probably a rather reliable drive-train and the build quality should hold up well.
I'm curious what has made you change your tune on these areas - just lived with it longer or looking at it through a different lens?
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Old 11-06-2020, 11:20 AM   #8489
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Kosta, this was your Porsche review from the begining of the year:

I'm curious what has made you change your tune on these areas - just lived with it longer or looking at it through a different lens?
That was the Boxster I drove not a Macan.
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Old 11-06-2020, 12:11 PM   #8490
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That was the Boxster I drove not a Macan.
Right, but its essentially the same engine (a 2.0L 4cyl) and transmission (PDK). Just curious if your views on those changed based on more seat time or the platform, or maybe you feel the I4 is than much different than the B4. Not nitpicking, just curious
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Old 11-06-2020, 12:29 PM   #8491
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Right, but its essentially the same engine (a 2.0L 4cyl) and transmission (PDK). Just curious if your views on those changed based on more seat time or the platform, or maybe you feel the I4 is than much different than the B4. Not nitpicking, just curious
Well the big thing is what each car is compared against.

The Boxster is up against other Porsche sports cars, Corvettes, Miatas, etc. While the Macan is up against crossovers and SUVs plus I would even argue hot hatches.

Looking at the Boxster I was focused on driving enjoyment and I didnt get what I would say was a $70k sports car driving experience...

The Macan on the other hand, delivers a better experience than its competition and very much worthwhile of its $55k price tag. I also like the engine/exhaust note more than the Boxster and the interior plus infotainment is better too.

Plus the PDK in the Boxster is quite different than the DSG in the Macan. I do think the Boxster shifts better though, but the dual clutch in the Macan makes for a better transmission experience than its SUV competition and very much like say a Golf R DSG.
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Old 11-06-2020, 06:58 PM   #8492
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Well the big thing is what each car is compared against.

The Boxster is up against other Porsche sports cars, Corvettes, Miatas, etc. While the Macan is up against crossovers and SUVs plus I would even argue hot hatches.

Looking at the Boxster I was focused on driving enjoyment and I didnt get what I would say was a $70k sports car driving experience...

The Macan on the other hand, delivers a better experience than its competition and very much worthwhile of its $55k price tag. I also like the engine/exhaust note more than the Boxster and the interior plus infotainment is better too.

Plus the PDK in the Boxster is quite different than the DSG in the Macan. I do think the Boxster shifts better though, but the dual clutch in the Macan makes for a better transmission experience than its SUV competition and very much like say a Golf R DSG.
I’m confused (but admittedly don’t know the differences between the DSG and PDK)... the Macan has PDK and not DSG?
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I’m confused (but admittedly don’t know the differences between the DSG and PDK)... the Macan has PDK and not DSG?
The Macan transmission is built by Audi. Its the same transmission from the Q5 and A4 just tuned differently. Call those DSG because thats what Audi/VW does.

The transmissions in the 718 and 911 are Porsche exclusive units. Call those PDK because they actually are.
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The Macan transmission is built by Audi. Its the same transmission from the Q5 and A4 just tuned differently. Call those DSG because thats what Audi/VW does.

The transmissions in the 718 and 911 are Porsche exclusive units. Call those PDK because they actually are.
The transmission in the Macan is not shared with Audi. Its a Porsche exclusive transmission which is similar to the transmission that’s in the Panamera.

Unless they changed that recently but I remember this being a point of emphasis from Porsche as a way to differentiate it from the Q5.
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The transmission in the Macan is not shared with Audi. Its a Porsche exclusive transmission which is similar to the transmission that's in the Panamera.

Unless they changed that recently but I remember this being a point of emphasis from Porsche as a way to differentiate it from the Q5.
Thats all Porsche marketing B.S. The Panamera also uses VAG drivetrains and chassis, as does the Cayenne.

Do you want me to post the parts diagrams?
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Thats all Porsche marketing B.S. The Panamera also uses VAG drivetrains and chassis, as does the Cayenne.

Do you want me to post the parts diagrams?
Yes Porsche gets plenty of parts out of the bin from other VAG cars. Everyone knows that (especially with the cayenne, Macan and pano).

But the PDK in the Macan (and the Pano) was specifically developed by Porsche for the Macan. It’s not shared. The DSG in the GTI/Golf R and Audi platforms might be close but it’s not the same transmission.

The cayenne also doesn’t even have PDK. A huge benefit to the Macan over the cayenne is the transmission. I haven’t driven the new cayenne with their updated ZF (I’ve heard it’s significantly better) but the one in the previous gen was absolute trash.

Saying it’s the same as the Audi and is all Porsche marketing is like Clarkson saying the 911 is a Beetle.
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Yes Porsche gets plenty of parts out of the bin from other VAG cars. Everyone knows that (especially with the cayenne, Macan and pano).

But the PDK in the Macan (and the Pano) was specifically developed by Porsche for the Macan. It’s not shared. The DSG in the GTI/Golf R and Audi platforms might be close but it’s not the same transmission.

The cayenne also doesn’t even have PDK. A huge benefit to the Macan over the cayenne is the transmission. I haven’t driven the new cayenne with their updated ZF (I’ve heard it’s significantly better) but the one in the previous gen was absolute trash.

Saying it’s the same as the Audi and is all Porsche marketing is like Clarkson saying the 911 is a Beetle.
The transmission case and majority of the parts are identical.

To be specific, the gearing and transfer case (IE Center differential in Subaru speak) are different, which is pretty obvious due to the power delivery. But the valve body, dual clutch apparatus, and the design of the transmission are identical.

With more research, these are both ZF designed units and not in-house.

Calling this transmission a PDK is like calling the Toyota GT86 transmission a Toyota engine... Its just not.
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The current A4 7 speed dsg (previous gen sq5 also used it i think) and zf 8 speed (S4/S5/Sq5,etc) are both very good. I have the 8 speed in my S4 and my wife has the 7 speed in her A4. The 7 speed is just as smooth and feels a little lighter on its feet and more responsive. The 8 speed gives you some torque shock at high torque input shifts so it feels a little sportier. Both are excellent and each has its advantages. I think porsche usues the same units but programs them a little different.
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I'm selling my BRZ and finally thinking of a Cayman and strongly leaning towards a 718 T with a manual which seems to be factory order only. Python Green with the Lizard green standard interior.

It doesn't look like they allocate any of these to dealer lots so I'll likely need to check out a base model with Sport Chrono and PASM which are practically non-existent in my area (Boston metro area). Do any of you have any first hand experience especially coming from either an STI or BRZ?

On the other hand I'm also strongly considering a ZL1 1LE too..
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There are a couple Cayman T's on lots now, most are listed as "base" models though.

Go test drive a used Cayman at a dealer if you can to get a feel for what they are like compared to an STI or BRZ. I owned both and its pretty hard to describe the differences.
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