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Old 06-25-2010, 10:47 AM   #26
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I used to tow a 3 seater seadoo with my ranger. The ranger has like 3800 or 4000 bumper tow rating. My seadoo was 1000 + trailer. It was a real dog towing. I had the 3.0L auto. You may want to get a f150 to get a good sized boat.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:54 AM   #27
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They are expensive! Period.

Example: I can drive down to the Marina, pull the boat out of the slip, pull into the gas dock & fill up. Total money spent $315.00 and I haven't even left the Marina yet. Time elapsed about 20 minutes (no including the drive).

Of course I am also filling this up.




But they are fun.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:58 AM   #28
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They are expensive! Period.

Example: I can drive down to the Marina, pull the boat out of the slip, pull into the gas dock & fill up. Total money spent $315.00 and I haven't even left the Marina yet. Time elapsed about 20 minutes (no including the drive).

The scary part is you actually get used to the fuel bill! My little jet boat has a 35 gallon tank, which it can drink through in a day without too much problem. I avoid buying marina gas at all costs though, I trailer it anyway so I just make sure it lasts the day and then load.

Its actually worse than that even... Post your slip cost divided by # of times used during a season to see how much it actually cost you to move it that one time.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:58 AM   #29
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The best thing to do here, is to find a friend that already has a boat, and go out with him on his boat. This will save you more time and money than you can imagine.
bingo. im in that boat...and its glorious
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:01 AM   #30
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The scary part is you actually get used to the fuel bill! My little jet boat has a 35 gallon tank, which it can drink through in a day without too much problem. I avoid buying marina gas at all costs though, I trailer it anyway so I just make sure it lasts the day and then load.
Yes, that is scary. It's to the point now were I don't even look at the pump.

I have to feed two engines as well so we are usually getting about a mile and a half to the gallon, thank God it has a 100 gallon tank.


I wish trailering was an option, but sadly it's not. The boat is a tad too big.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:05 AM   #31
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Boat: A hole in the water into which you throw money.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:07 AM   #32
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Yes, that is scary. It's to the point now were I don't even look at the pump.

I have to feed two engines as well so we are usually getting about a mile and a half to the gallon, thank God it has a 100 gallon tank.


I wish trailering was an option, but sadly it's not. The boat is a tad too big.
My Wellcraft V20 has 2 20 gallon tanks, we could but a serious dent in them in one days use but would have to work hard to kill them. We typically fill up a couple 5 gallon cans before going down there, saves about a buck a gallon.

And just in case it was not clear, used boats are money pits and new boats are just plain expensive. Water makes everything break quicker then it would otherwise.
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Boat: A hole in the water into which you throw money.
Post #5 > you.


Are jetskis any less of a hassle or at least more reliable?
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:11 AM   #34
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less money yess. less hassle, depends on where and what they are
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:34 AM   #36
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Yes - my family owned IO's that never got used growing up and they were broken quite a bit. One of my friends has 2500 hours(15 years) on his direct drive Mastercraft and I would say he spends $200 a year on maintenance. They are absolutely the easiest things to work on - a fuel injected v8 with access all around and bulletproof transmissions.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:47 AM   #37
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Yes - my family owned IO's that never got used growing up and they were broken quite a bit. One of my friends has 2500 hours(15 years) on his direct drive Mastercraft and I would say he spends $200 a year on maintenance. They are absolutely the easiest things to work on - a fuel injected v8 with access all around and bulletproof transmissions.
exactly. as long as they're not stored in water and they're covered so the floors dont rot those old school correct/master crafts are pretty much bomb proof for a boat.

if you want a party boat to haul 6 people on a lake I can't see a much better alternative.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:55 AM   #38
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You know what the two best days of boat ownership are?

The day you buy it and the day you sell it.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:56 AM   #39
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The day you buy it and the day you sell it.
Is there an echo in here?
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:56 AM   #40
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Things I have learned from working in the marina world....
*Yamaha is hands down the best outboard manufacturer
*Mercury is the worst manufacturer
*Johnson/evinrude make good tough motors too for less than yamaha
*Carolina skiffs are not good IMHO
*Boston whalers are great boats and they last forever (The new hull designs suck though they got bought over by some other company) Grady white boats are good too. The only downside to BW is they are heavy boats.
*Dont get a Inboard / Outboard
*A boat is a lot of work and a lot of cash (Or a lot of cash if you pay someone for all of it) There is no getting around it, boats are hard work and a lot of cash
*Did I mention boats are a lot of work and a lot of cash?


Good luck with the shopping : ) And dont forget to put a fuel filter water separator on it when you get one. That ethanol is horrible for boats...

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Edit: For what its worth I saw you wanted to go 40 MPH, you dont need 200 HP for that. I had a 17' Boston whaler outrage 1991 hull with a 1998 johnson 90 HP motor, It went 46 MPH (clocked with a GPS) It was a great boat... I sold it this spring though : /
Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all of this. Although, add Suzuki to the list of great outboards.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:57 AM   #41
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rule of 3 F's...
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:58 AM   #42
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Is there an echo in here?
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Everything about owning watercraft is a pain in the ass, it just is. Save yourself a lot of time and money, and just rent one when you get the urge to get out on the water. Unless you have the spare cash to throw at it, repeatedly, and plan to be on the water every weekend of summer, it's just not something you want to own. Trust.


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This is not absolute. I've spent a couple hundred dollars/year in maintenance on two boats. I pay a total of $850/yr in storage to keep one of them on the trailer at the marina (one I keep at my house). Just change the fluids, filters, and you're pretty much all set. I'll have a bit more maintenance in a few years, but no biggie. It's cost me less to maintain my boats than it has any car that I've owned.

I burn maybe 6 gallons in about 25 miles of fishing on the 18ft boat, maybe .5 gallons with the smaller boat.
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We did the newbie boat thing about 6 years ago when I had large chunks of money heading my way.....(patent, employee referal hired, profit sharing, bonus).

I first took the Power Squadron 6 week boating course, which gave me essentially a license for any US state and territory. The US Coast Guard sometimes gives a similar course. (about $300)

I then talked to a LOT of boaters. I came to the conclusion that if I wanted to go boating, I should buy a new boat. If I wanted to just work on the boat all the time, I should buy a used boat.

I also learned that an 18 foot boat isn't an 18 foot boat. The 18 is a marketing tool. Also, the interior dimensions and layout can be vastly different from one maker to the next.

I stuck with an all-fiberglas boat. Companies like Bayliner use a ton of cheap plywood and then cover it over with fiberglas. Plenty of free 10 year old Bayliners around because they're rotting in structural areas. Gen Mar companies are all fiberglas (Four Winns, Larson, Glastron etc). We bought a Four Winns Horizon 180 (17 feet 4 inches, 4 cyl engine, open bow). It would go 40 mph.....but that was about top end.

After running it for 4 years, we realized that we really didn't use it and the marina where we bought and launched from (on Winnisquam, NH) rented the same boat for $250 a day. Way cheaper than our cost. From memory, here's what we were paying:

Trailer registration yearly $39
Boat registration yearly (NH) $89
Exise tax for trailer yearly $10
Stuff we'd lose yearly (bumpers, lines) or get as extras (anchor) $50 yearly
insurance yearly $300
Winiterizing (I did it myself) $100
We did not shrink wrap, but we have a huge garage. To shrink wrap a boat (you really need to do it if you're leaving it outside) $350-$500 for a small boat like mine.
You also need something to tow the boat.....I had a racecar too, so won't add the cost of that.

Boats also depreciate like crazy. We paid $15.5k for the boat and 4 years later sold it for $8k. It looked brand new when sold.

We now have a canoe and kayak. We hardly ever use them, but only have $500 tied up in them and can ignore them year round. We live literally across the street from a lake.
I don't own a boat, but this seems like a wise statement. Thanks Jack, as I've been considering purchasing lately.
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I disagree there too, somewhat. Many boats depreciate very slowly, including mine. It's usually the mass-produced boats that will depreciate more quickly.

If you're only going to use the boat a few times per year, it's retarded to buy one. In my case, I use mine sometimes two to three times per week.

You also can't put a price tag on your sanity recovery, which being on the water provides. Going to my own little island with no one else around, with a small hibachi, some fishing rods, and a cooler full of beer with a couple of friends is priceless.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:18 PM   #46
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I used to tow a 3 seater seadoo with my ranger. The ranger has like 3800 or 4000 bumper tow rating. My seadoo was 1000 + trailer. It was a real dog towing. I had the 3.0L auto. You may want to get a f150 to get a good sized boat.
FYI, the 3.0 Ranger is a turd when empty, especially with the auto.



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Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all of this. Although, add Suzuki to the list of great outboards.

What's your take on the Honda 4-stroke outboards?



Growing up we had a small Whaler with a Johnson 9.9. It was the tits when I was ~7, but when I got to about 12 it was a major turd with 3 people in the boat.
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Hondas seem to be pretty reliable too. The problem is that they're expensive, and they've been pretty heavy last I've checked. A key to buying a motor is dealer support. If the nearest dealer is 50+ miles away, you'll kick yourself if you have warranty issues.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:51 PM   #48
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I have a boat story.

On July 4th, 2008, I was at "Boater's Beach" on Lake Michigan in NW Indiana. We went there on my friend's boat, and met up with another friend of his.

The other guy had a 40' formula offshore style boat. It was from like 1983, but still, nice boat, and obviously big. This beach, you anchor probably 200 feet from shore and swim in.

So at the end of the day, we up anchor and get going out to sea. The wind and waves are rolling in hard. (It was just a nasty 4th of july.)

The guy in the formula, he's having trouble up anchoring. His friend can't get it unstuck. So he runs up to the bow to help him, then the wind just grabbed his boat, along with another wave, and pushes him right onto a sandbar. He's stuck.

We tried towing him out with our boat, and our hands, for several hours. It wasn't working. The guy's GF is FREAKING OUT at the worst possible time.

It's getting dark out and we don't want to make the 45 minute trek across the lake in the dark, so we say sorry man, gotta go.

He ends up calling the tow company, they quote him a fee of $6,000 to get him unstuck.

The tow comes at 9:45 at night, they end up charging him $3,500 for the tow. (!)

So yeah, big boats aren't cheap, especially when you get them stuck.
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That's why you pay $100/yr for unlimited towing from Sea Tow or Boat US.
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Yeah, after that he signed up. Not sure why he didn't have it before that.
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