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Old 02-11-2021, 09:22 AM   #7901
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Old 02-11-2021, 09:34 AM   #7902
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I wouldn't go to a JL. My JK is a 14 and I'd stick with the JK platform. Something like a 17 or 18 JK would be what I'd target. There was a perfect match I was watching nearby, but of course it sold.

The only thing I think the Rubi gets that makes a difference is the lower ratio TCase and 44 up front.

But why not get a sport for 10k cheaper. That 10k can lift the Jeep, swap the front axle, get a rear locker, and the protection you need.

Dollar for dollar I don’t know if the Rubis are really worth it on the used market.
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Old 02-11-2021, 10:29 AM   #7903
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Totally agree. Something something horses for courses.

My build is to get my family to spots outdoor that get me away from a higher percentage of Colorado residents than most vehicles around (especially subarus).
You're really going to enjoy those kings you ordered for your goals. The "built" 5th gen I wheeled with had them on there. I got a chance to run it up the hill by the mines at Pickle Gulch. Such a smooth ride. It'll keep the fam happy out on the trails.
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Old 02-11-2021, 01:12 PM   #7904
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I had the bigger tires on before the ball joints. I will crawl under there and look again and I might just be crazy. But this morning when going around a soft left-hand curve on the highway, real quickly after initiating the turn I had to counter-steer the jeep to the right as the jeep darted torwards the left lane next to me.



After driving a couple new JLs I really like them. But do you really want to beat on a brand new JL when you already have a JK used to the punishment?



Were they on OEM rubber and you on some ATs? New drivers to off-roading? I've been out with all sorts of different Toyotas and the only thing that gets close to being almost as capable as a Jeep has been a land cruiser.

I out wheeled a new 4runner with lockers, king suspension, and the whole nine yards in a beater XJ on 33's with a small lift and an open rear differential.
I mean, there's a certain bit of freedom in running something you don't really care about that's worth a couple grand vs a guy in a $40k 4Runner that's probably his daily driver.
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Old 02-11-2021, 01:20 PM   #7905
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The only thing I think the Rubi gets that makes a difference is the lower ratio TCase and 44 up front.

But why not get a sport for 10k cheaper. That 10k can lift the Jeep, swap the front axle, get a rear locker, and the protection you need.

Dollar for dollar I don’t know if the Rubis are really worth it on the used market.
Here's the figuring I did when I ordered my Willys Wheeler... If you are not planning on going bigger than 35" tires on the JK or 37" tires on the JL, go with the Rubicon/. Gets you the nicest interior, bet stereo/infotainment upgrade, the 4:1 transfer case, best stock suspension, the disconnecting front swaybar, 4.10:1 diffs and stock lockers.

If you plan on going ANY bigger than this, you are going to need to re-gear, so the better axle ratio goes out the door, you MUST lift, so the good suspension bits go out the door...

I planned on going bigger, but I wanted the good suspension from the get-go, so I ordered the Willys Wheeler package. This is the Rubicon springs/shocks, but the Sport with Towing package and added rear clutch type LSD for everything else. Cheapest way to have a setup that I wouldn't get annoyed with while I figured out exactly what lift/tires/upgrades I wanted to do.
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Old 02-11-2021, 01:23 PM   #7906
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I mean, there's a certain bit of freedom in running something you don't really care about that's worth a couple grand vs a guy in a $40k 4Runner that's probably his daily driver.
The guy built it with the intent to wheel it. That said the jeep had better traction and articulation across the board. Obstacles that the 4runner struggled on and needed lockers we not difficult tasks for the XJ. One of the girls in the group brought her BFs XJ out without him so none of us wanted to break it or beat on it.
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Old 02-11-2021, 01:26 PM   #7907
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Here's the figuring I did when I ordered my Willys Wheeler... If you are not planning on going bigger than 35" tires on the JK or 37" tires on the JL, go with the Rubicon/. Gets you the nicest interior, bet stereo/infotainment upgrade, the 4:1 transfer case, best stock suspension, the disconnecting front swaybar, 4.10:1 diffs and stock lockers.

If you plan on going ANY bigger than this, you are going to need to re-gear, so the better axle ratio goes out the door, you MUST lift, so the good suspension bits go out the door...

I planned on going bigger, but I wanted the good suspension from the get-go, so I ordered the Willys Wheeler package. This is the Rubicon springs/shocks, but the Sport with Towing package and added rear clutch type LSD for everything else. Cheapest way to have a setup that I wouldn't get annoyed with while I figured out exactly what lift/tires/upgrades I wanted to do.

That makes total sense. They are legos and there is no wrong answer on which way to go. I prefer the look of the OEM fenders so if I ever go 35's it will need a lift.
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Old 02-11-2021, 03:00 PM   #7908
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The Willys Wheeler had the option to add a rear locker. I've never actually seen one with the locker, but it's something worth keeping in the back of your mind. Find one in Clem's Used Cars where they have no idea what it is and pick it up for the price of a sport.

My JKU sport is lifted 2 1/2 inches (measured) and I ordered it with the rear LSD on 295-70 Cepek Extremes. I don't care about gears or the problematic front sway disconnect of the rubi. Just the lockers and better front axle setup.
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Old 02-11-2021, 03:33 PM   #7909
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I'll just drop this here. THis has probably been posted....but it's worth watching again....

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Old 02-11-2021, 03:40 PM   #7910
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Well, no, it wasn't available with a locker. It was standard with the LSD.
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Old 02-11-2021, 05:38 PM   #7911
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Well, no, it wasn't available with a locker. It was standard with the LSD.
Actually not correct, they became available towards the end of the JK run.

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Old 02-14-2021, 03:30 PM   #7912
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Were they on OEM rubber and you on some ATs? New drivers to off-roading? I've been out with all sorts of different Toyotas and the only thing that gets close to being almost as capable as a Jeep has been a land cruiser.

I out wheeled a new 4runner with lockers, king suspension, and the whole nine yards in a beater XJ on 33's with a small lift and an open rear differential.
We were all on stock tires. I know because we all conversed while watching the heavily modified Rock Crawlers do their thing etc. They were cool guys, no dick measuring contests, just people having fun out on the rocks.

My Taco is an '07 but I run OEM Goodyears off an '18 TRD. As far as skills go we were the same. My advantage was the short wheel base on my Regular Cab. My truck is also manual, I personally think that is better for off-roading.

I love this Truck, I previously had a 2011 TRD Off Road 4 door, it was a great truck but I high centered and got stock a few times. This little Reg Cab beater is a mother ****er, it doesn't get stuck, put it in 4 low and first gear...it goes anywhere. Nearly 300k miles on it too and runs perfect still. No offense, but you won't see that kind of mileage out of a modern jeep. The old inline 6's? Yes.

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Uh oh shots fired on us 4runner bros.

Here's a counter:

I drove 85-90mph today on I-70 and no worry of careening off the road to my death.
You're not kidding! Although...my buddy has a fully built Taco with 18" of travel on the front, and that thing on the highway will make your butthole swallow the seat.
His Truck:

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Old 02-14-2021, 03:46 PM   #7913
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Old 02-17-2021, 04:34 PM   #7914
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XJ isn't going to be worth it. I got it out of the garage today and finally had a chance to look at it closer. I jumped it and it wouldn't fire up. The engine oil is sludged and way low. It started leaking some sort of lubricant that wasn't engine oil, I'm guessing it was either transfer case or the differential. Tires are shot too. On top of all this, it's in Illinois and I have to get it back to Arizona.

I'll make an offer of $1k on it, otherwise it won't be worth it.
Looks like I'll probably get it for $300 or so. I'm just going to ship it to AZ because I don't have the time to go out there and get it running and then drive it back. I'm geeked.
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Old 02-18-2021, 11:50 AM   #7915
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Been wondering since a lot of the used 4.0 wranglers I see are pricey or have a lot of mileage, of what people would choose between an older 4 cylinder Jeep vs a Suzuki samurai (or similar)?
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Old 02-18-2021, 05:36 PM   #7916
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Been wondering since a lot of the used 4.0 wranglers I see are pricey or have a lot of mileage, of what people would choose between an older 4 cylinder Jeep vs a Suzuki samurai (or similar)?
I had a 4cyl YJ years ago (holly crap I'm old, it was actually 20 years ago). It was horrible, I ended up swapping a 4.0L into it. Which also involved a new transmission, t-case input shaft, wiring etc. Save yourself the aggravation and wait and find a decent 4.0L.
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Old 02-18-2021, 06:12 PM   #7917
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There were a number of 4 cylinders in TJ Wranglers. I don't know the earlier ones, but drove one of the later ones. They made some change..I don't remember. But it had quite a bit of power. At the time, I was considering either a used 4.0 or a new 4 cylinder. I bought a used one.

In the rust belt, stick with only a late...like 05 or 06. The early TJs didn't have holes in the frame to allow crap to exit and around me, they all rusted like crazy. Like Tacoma kinda frame replacement rusted. If you're going to upgrade the control arms, you'll be ok, but I've looked at the stock ones and holy toothpick parts, batman.

There are some years with head issues with the 4.0. One of my son's friends is a jeep expert and rattled through the years one time we were visiting. I don't remember which years were good/bad. There's a recent South Main Auto vid where he's looking at a Cherokee with high miles that's eating coolant. He found a huge crack in the head with the little camera thingy. As bullet proof as the 4.0 is known for, they're not without potential issues (as no jeep is).

My 4.0 was fine, but I only had it a couple years. I did also have a YJ with a 6 and that thing never got more than single digit mpg. With what felt like about 60 hp and a 45 mph max speed.
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Old 02-18-2021, 06:18 PM   #7918
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Thanks for the info, I've been searching alot for 91+ wranglers with the 4.0 but man they are usually really pricey or extremely high mileage. I'm lucky im not in the rust belt for them however.
To my limited understanding they are Fuel Injection after 91, and I never worked on car with a carburetor so I was steering clear
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Old 03-01-2021, 01:14 PM   #7919
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I bought a TJ Wrangler. It is my fifth Jeep but I never lifted my previous TJ, just the JK's I owned. I am thinking of a 2" suspension with maybe a 1" body lift so I could possibly do a belly up kit. I only need 31-32 inch tires for most of the trails around here.I will have my wife and daughter with me so I am not going to be going to crazy.

That being said what lift kits should I be looking at? I ran a Teraflex on my JK and liked it. Will I need a slip yoke eliminator? At what point should I be looking at new control arms? This is not a daily driver but I don't want to make ride crappy or handle poorly.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:38 PM   #7920
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I bought a TJ Wrangler. It is my fifth Jeep but I never lifted my previous TJ, just the JK's I owned. I am thinking of a 2" suspension with maybe a 1" body lift so I could possibly do a belly up kit. I only need 31-32 inch tires for most of the trails around here.I will have my wife and daughter with me so I am not going to be going to crazy.

That being said what lift kits should I be looking at? I ran a Teraflex on my JK and liked it. Will I need a slip yoke eliminator? At what point should I be looking at new control arms? This is not a daily driver but I don't want to make ride crappy or handle poorly.
Slip Yoke Eliminator is pretty much necessary for what essentially is a 3" lift. Teraflex is probably going to be the most road friendly lift. The geometry of the super short arms that TJs have will be an issue before you need control arms due to lift height. Basically, if you are going to buy control arms, you will end up going long-arm or MetalCloak's Lock-n-load system.
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:45 AM   #7921
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Here's the new project:



I'm going to get her mechanically back into shape before I start modding. I don't plan on anything too crazy, 3.5" lift, and some better wheels and tires. Maybe some steel bumpers because the stock ones are a little rough. Should be a fun little desert Jeep.
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:36 PM   #7922
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Blast from the past!

Here is my current daily/rock crawler: 2000 TJ 4.0
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Old 03-19-2021, 01:16 PM   #7925
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Yeah, the genius left it in 4 low and in gear before he towed it. They did the math and the engine would have been spinning at 55,000 RPM before it detonated. On a brand new $50k Jeep.
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