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Old 06-04-2003, 04:55 PM   #76
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hey guys,

leaving $$$ out of it, i'm also semi-torn between the two. neither should really be knocked, and it's good that they are different. that's what competition's all about. i'm leaning toward the sti.

personally, i don't like how the evo "handles" better than the sti in most tests, but i can certainly understand why. furthermore, it doesn't bother me much at all since my STi will never see a track ever in its life.

i won't be slaloming at 70mph or taking hard turns going 85 consistently to recognize the quicker steering of the evo. granted, i don't need to be doing those to notice it, but for daily driving, the handling difference becomes much less noticeable.

i like both cars wings very much, and the brakes. the evo has much better seats, but it has horrible gauges (small lettering, hard to read, dimly lit). so it's basically a trade off.

one more thing (a tiny thing), i absolutely love the wrx/sti's frameless doors. i love rolling down the windows all the way and opening the doors...it's a very clean look. but then again, the evo has a moonroof and rear wipers (but no cruise control).

the shifter feels a lot nicer in the sti than the evo, but the evo has a slightly "sharper" look, especially in the front fascia.

honestly, the area where the STi dominates is just sheer power. many magazine articles write that the sti "pulls like a freight train in any gear". i just love that. i've never had such a fast car, and i want one.

like i said, i will not be doing any auto-xing or tracking, so the differences in handling become relatively erroneous to me. shiv himself has even written "nothing short of a 911 turbo will out-accelerate an sti coming out of a turn". i LOVE that.

it's just what you like. if you buy either car and then trash the other, then you're not really buying the car for yourself. you're buying it for image or brand loyalty. just purchase the one that you will feel most comfortable with.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:02 PM   #77
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xfactor, seems to me like a regular WRX will suite you juuuust fine. doesnt sound like you'd even drive the STi anywhere near its limits

i think you could roll down the windows and open the doors on one of them and it will look just the same?

from reading your post all you're looking for is a better daily driver. im sure many would argue in favor of a regular WRX
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:05 PM   #78
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I agree, xfactor. Everyone will talk smack, a lot will take it too personally, some will buy, drive and love their car.

Although, I have to compliment everyone on keeping this from becoming a violent thread. If everyone would have the same respect for each other's cars as you folks have in this thread, no one would run crying to mommy about the bad man not liking their car.

Edit: If I get an STi, though, I'll track it occasionally. Hell, if I get my RS modded this summer, I'll track it in the fall.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:07 PM   #79
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xfactor, seems to me like a regular WRX will suite you juuuust fine. doesnt sound like you'd even drive the STi anywhere near its limits

i think you could roll down the windows and open the doors on one of them and it will look just the same?

from reading your post all you're looking for is a better daily driver. im sure many would argue in favor of a regular WRX
already own one



i guess i should just run my car choices with you, and then you can approve them for me

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Old 06-04-2003, 05:09 PM   #80
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Well, soon as I talk about the relative civility of the thread, it starts to go to crap.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:13 PM   #81
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i guess i should just run my car choices with you, and then you can approve them for me


no no choose your own car. i'll shake my head if comes down to how it looks when the windows are down and doors are open tho
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:13 PM   #82
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Well, soon as I talk about the relative civility of the thread, it starts to go to crap.
it's all good. for some reason, snoogans has been on my case lately. i've driven plently of fast cars in my life (GT2, CL55, S55, etc), but never owned one. the sti will be my first (definitely not in the class of the above-mentioned), and i cannot wait.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:15 PM   #83
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no no choose your own car. i'll shake my head if comes down to how it looks when the windows are down and doors are open tho
hey, that's classified under "looks". don't you want the car you spend $30+K on to look "good" to you? i have nothing against other doors, but to me, i like frameless doors.

besides, ever try slamming a door shut on your finger on a framed door? ever try one on a wrx or sti?



i already wrote that it's a minor thing...doesn't even come close to making-or-breaking the deal...just a preference.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:18 PM   #84
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There's a difference between a fast car and a fast AWD car. The corvette kicks some serious butt, but I wouldn't want one in the winter. I guess if you have the money for a summer car and a winter car, bonus.

To me that's what makes the STi, EVO, S4, RS6, and Porsche TT great sports cars. That's also the main reason why the SRT-4, Supras, Corvettes, Mustangs, etc. don't really do it for me. Nothing wrong with the cars, just not for me.

The other problem with Dodge is general quality and reliability. Now my impressions could be skewed and outdated, but the sentiment is still there.

So a fast neon might be impressive, just doesn't impress me :P

Anyone see the monster garage where they made the hotdog cart dragster? That thing was REALLY fast, but I don't think I need that in my garage either.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:27 PM   #85
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hey, that's classified under "looks". don't you want the car you spend $30+K on to look "good" to you? i have nothing against other doors, but to me, i like frameless doors.

besides, ever try slamming a door shut on your finger on a framed door? ever try one on a wrx or sti?



i already wrote that it's a minor thing...doesn't even come close to making-or-breaking the deal...just a preference.

now, for my honest opinion (who give a rats behind..)

the STi sounds like the right car for you. doesnt seem like you're going to be exploring any autoX limits or other racing... but you WANT that capability in your back pocket.. just knowing what it's capable of doing can go a LOOOONG way in the mental aspect of buying a car...

one of the main differences between the STi and EVO is daily drivability (sounds wierd did I word that right?)

again, STi sounds like the right choice
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:35 PM   #86
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Run a stock STi on a rally course at 10/10ths minus roll cage, wheels, and tires, and let me know how that goes.
A roll cage is standard add-on for virtually any form of stock car racing, not just rally.

As for tires and wheels....no one combination is right for all rally stages. That's why you see 18 inchers in Monte Carlo, and 16 inchers in Sweden. You would have to change to match the track conditions from rally to rally at any rate.

What does choice of tires and roll cage have to do with whether THE CAR itself is suitable, by design for rallying? Not a thing. Your argument is essentially that a rally car is defined by having a certain kind of tires and wheels, oh yes, and a roll cage. That stuff is auxillary...it has nothing to do with the car. You're not making any sense.
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Old 06-04-2003, 05:53 PM   #87
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Our SRT-4 can take both of them out in any race that isn't from a dead stop or that is long enough for it to catch up after the launch.

On the highway in 3rd gear, it's all over. Then again our SRT-4 makes 285hp 297ft/lbs on our dyno and doesn't carry around near as much weight as the STI or EVO
DIE!

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You just haven't pushed them yet. How does it compare to your car?

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Old 06-04-2003, 06:01 PM   #88
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Actually it's not too bad.

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that vid cracks me up
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Old 06-04-2003, 06:09 PM   #89
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Our SRT-4 can take both of them out in any race that isn't from a dead stop or that is long enough for it to catch up after the launch.

On the highway in 3rd gear, it's all over. Then again our SRT-4 makes 285hp 297ft/lbs on our dyno and doesn't carry around near as much weight as the STI or EVO
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Agreed, also SRT will win if the race is:

* run backwards. (can't beat fwd traction when in reverse gear)

* run until speed limiter is reached in the STI (hey 150 beats 147)

* run until STI runs out of gas

* run on arizona interstates (endless straights + no rain + hot melting tar on roads solves the whole offline traction problem!)

* run on Febuary 31st (cuz no Neon has eva lost on this day)

* run when Hell freezes over.

in short.....Neon's rule.
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Old 06-04-2003, 06:22 PM   #90
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Agreed, also SRT will win if the race is:

* run backwards. (can't beat fwd traction when in reverse gear)

...in short.....Neon's rule.
Here area some of them Neon boys practicing their hole shot technique.
You just gotta remember to release the parking brake.

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now that is funny
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Old 06-04-2003, 07:54 PM   #92
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Frankly, I could care less if one of those SRT's can beat me, as well as anything else whether it be a boosted Honda or a juiced out hot rod....I still will have an STi that has 300hp from the factory running off of 4 cylinders. Don't let big ego's and condescending opinions from other people get into the way of your car choices. You have the freedom to buy whatever you want, think whatever you want about whatever you buy, and DO whatever you want with what you got. For me, it's an STi, for others it could be an Evo, ZO6, S4...whatever!! Impress yourself before you try to impress some other hard head.

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Frankly, I could care less if one of those SRT's can beat me, as well as anything else whether it be a boosted Honda or a juiced out hot rod....I still will have an STi that has 300hp from the factory running off of 4 cylinders. Don't let big ego's and condescending opinions from other people get into the way of your car choices. You have the freedom to buy whatever you want, think whatever you want about whatever you buy, and DO whatever you want with what you got. For me, it's an STi, for others it could be an Evo, ZO6, S4...whatever!! Impress yourself before you try to impress some other hard head.

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On the other side of the coin, don't let owning an STi inflat your ego either.

The nature of street racing, as that's what most of these people will do is, "race what you bring". I give props to anything that makes reliable power. I personally don't have a taste for drag racing, organized or not. But if something makes power, it makes power.

Being a car enthusiast has nothing to do about impressing anyone, it's about appreciating the cars. You gotta give props when props are due.

I'm impressed that hte neon can put out big power... but I'd never buy a neon. Very much the same deal for me and the Evo. Impressive cars, but not my cup of tea.

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Our SRT-4 can take both of them out in any race that isn't from a dead stop or that is long enough for it to catch up after the launch.

On the highway in 3rd gear, it's all over. Then again our SRT-4 makes 285hp 297ft/lbs on our dyno and doesn't carry around near as much weight as the STI or EVO
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Agreed, also SRT will win if the race is:

* run backwards. (can't beat fwd traction when in reverse gear)

* run until speed limiter is reached in the STI (hey 150 beats 147)

* run until STI runs out of gas

* run on arizona interstates (endless straights + no rain + hot melting tar on roads solves the whole offline traction problem!)

* run on Febuary 31st (cuz no Neon has eva lost on this day)

* run when Hell freezes over.

in short.....Neon's rule.
That's funny... I nearly spit my coffee on the computer screen.

Anyway, the point of my post was not to say the neon is "better," because it's not. In fact, given my choice, I’ve been driving the EVO for the last few days. Mark told me today that he was swapping me the STI for the EVO (oh bummer ).

The EVO and STI are more complete cars than the SRT-4, but I have to admire the way the SRT makes power. The neon SRT-4 is the ultimate ball buster, "dude, you just got smoked by a neon," just sounds so funny.

My point is that people get way too worked up about their car choice. Evo guys will tell you that the EVO rules and the STI sucks. STI guys will usually say the same thing about the EVO. In the end, both cars have their strong points, and until you’ve actually spent a few thousand miles behind the wheel of either one, you really can’t make a proper judgment.

The STI guys that think they are so obviously superior to the EVO guys need to relax a bit and read a few of the comparison tests. While the EVO doesn’t have all the high-tech gear of the STI, almost every single review places it in front from a handling perspective. Some of them place it in front for acceleration as well.

To the EVO guys who are living life though these reviews, you need to remember one very important fact; the reviewers don’t have to choose which car they want to live with. The EVO is a little harder to live with around town. I spent 2 hours the other night driving in downtown DC trying to find my way to a club. There is NO way I’d drive the EVO downtown again. What I can live with out here in Gaithersburg almost killed me in DC. Our EVO is one of the stiffest cars I’ve ever driven. Its spring rates and dampening are absolutely uncompromised and setup for fast smooth pavement. Around town the STI is much easier to live with and I suspect that on mountain roads that are less than perfect the STI will be easier to drive very fast under those circumstances. I also suspect the STI is the better autox car. Its power band is more suited to acceleration out of slow corners that would leave the EVO waiting for boost.

In the end they are both fantastic cars, and to claim that one “ownz” the other is an ignorant at best (if you’ve not driven both) and at worst an out and out lie.
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The EVO and STI are more complete cars than the SRT-4, but I have to admire the way the SRT makes power. The neon SRT-4 is the ultimate ball buster, "dude, you just got smoked by a neon," just sounds so funny.
What makes it sound funny is that Neon's have a very well deserved reputation for being garbage.
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