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04-25-2003, 03:24 PM | #1 |
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What can really compare to the STI
For the money, I really don't see any car that can touch the STI. I know the EVO will be close but I just don't see it really comparing to the STI. (mainly in acceleration) Considering that they are pretty much the same price. Please don't come up with "If I mod my civic, neon, blah blah crap. I am talking about stock cars only. Perfomance for the dollar on factory delivered cars only.
Just for agruements sake I think these #'s will be accurate or close enough anyway. 13.00 1/4 mile 4.7 0-60 .94 g's skid pad 72mph 700ft salom I would find it hard to believe that the Sti couldn't easily pull these figures out. Anything with better numbers cost 20k more. I just wanted to see what you guys think.
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04-25-2003, 03:46 PM | #2 |
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this subject has been beaten to death many times before. just do a search and you will see many threads like STI vs. EVO, STI vs. G35, STI vs. 350Z etc...
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04-25-2003, 03:49 PM | #3 |
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also,
if numbers are all that matters to you, than you are right. but, if you are looking for overall value and other things like handling and driving fun (for lack of a better word) than the STI does indeed have some competition (EVO,350Z etc...) |
04-25-2003, 05:30 PM | #4 |
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The numbers are just use as a discussion point. I can't put other factors like "driver's fun" in to statistical data that is universal to all cars. I just wanted to open a theard for it to be compared to any and all cars. And besides, We probably won't have anything new to talk about anyway until May 1st.
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04-25-2003, 05:36 PM | #5 |
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i agree with you about the fact that we need something to do until may 1st. every thread i read so far with comparison between the STI and any other car ended up the same way. it is a fast car but there are always faster cars out there.it's a great handling machine but there are better out there.
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04-25-2003, 06:07 PM | #6 |
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Pretty much the Supra TT, 300ZX TT, RX-7, used NSX, used 911, all can match & exceed those numbers in stock form. Those are very good numbers but keep in mind, the STI is not about the 1/4 mi and 0-60 stuff.
It's a purpose built rally car on the road and will dust those sports cars once we hit the dirt. On the track it's a different story, 300ZX TT or Supra TT will pull and corner hard will give the STI a lot of problems, they are RWD and less powertrain loss on the highspeed straights. It's good car for the $ no doubt.. but not supreme. |
04-25-2003, 06:43 PM | #7 | |
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Why even start this argument again Evo: 13.1-13.4 1/4 mile 4.9-5.0 0-60 .97 skidpad Acceleration the Sti will be quicker than an Evo...handling and braking is a different story...then you have cars that won't be able to quite match the handling #'s but will be fairly close yet still out accelerate. A '03 Cobra 12.5 1/4 mile and still a good handler and braker...though not as good as Sti, Evo. The Z06 Corvette and various other cars are just as good overall but quicker..I think used Z06's are about 35k. The reason I got an Evo and only considered the Evo or Sti was the fact that they offer a good overall package but are practical with 4drs and awd |
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04-25-2003, 06:47 PM | #8 |
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wait, didnt someone post something about the sti ra spec c having the fastest time for a street going car, only lost to a acura nsx type r, on nurburgring?
Huh, seems like it handles ok to me. |
04-25-2003, 06:59 PM | #9 | |
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04-25-2003, 07:03 PM | #10 | |
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Guess I was right:
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04-25-2003, 07:38 PM | #11 | |
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For example... The USDM STi is 23 lbs heavier than the Euro STi (3263 vs 3240) The USDM EVO is 155 lbs heavier than the Euro EVO VIII (3263 vs 3108) NO DOUBT, such weight differences WILL have an impact on how the US versions handle compared to their lighter Euro counterparts |
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04-25-2003, 07:42 PM | #12 | |
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more Spec-C-ulation.
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Supposidly the US car has some of the front suspension changes heretofore seen only on the Spec C. It is the DCCD that is cited as the biggest reason for improving the handling of the car, as it is said to allow pretty much for dial in oversteer, and the DCCD is on the American version, and not on any of the European versions so often compared to better spec-ed out Evos. Even in weight the car isn't significantly different than the European STI, also listed at 3234, just 30 pounds lighter than the US spec. Heck, I'll take the DCCD with the 30 pound handicap thank you. This is unlike the US EVO which is both signficantly de-spec'ed in terms of hardware....5 speed, no front lsd, acd, or ayc, and yet significantly heavier (150+) pounds than the European Evo, which in turn is heavier than the Japanese EVO. According to Mitsu, the US Evo VIII also makes 25-30 less HP than the European EVO VII. As for the spec C Quoting automobile: "Best of all, though, is the handling. This car counters the critics who complain about the WRX's tendency to understeer—which can be combated by lifting off the throttle to rotate the rear. The Spec C grips and goes, and it's easy to neutralize any initial turn-in understeer with a stab on the throttle pedal....think awesome." http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...wrx/index.html Last edited by strangerq; 04-25-2003 at 07:51 PM. |
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04-25-2003, 07:49 PM | #13 |
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Sorry, no - the American version is lighter than the standard JDM STi, and slightly heavier than the JDM STi Type C RA. American measurements include fluids, spare tyres, jack. The JDM measurements are "dry". Also, the lightest spec C's are the ones without the 17" wheels and brembo's, DCCD-A. The one that went around the Ring certainly had those. The JDM Spec C RA with the 17" wheels/brake/dccd-a package is probably very close to the USDM STi weight (there should be about a 20kg difference).
The car that clocked a 8:06.59 around Nurburgring was one of the Type C RA's also used as a press car. What's basically special about it is that it's hand made vs. Production - like nearly every pre-launch press car out there. The driver, though, was very, very good. He's been around Nurburgring some 3000 times. I'd estimate that in his hands, an USDM STi press car would be at most 2-3 seconds slower than the one mentioned. It may even be faster, who knows without a back-to-back. Cheers, Paul Hansen www.apexjapan.com |
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04-25-2003, 08:25 PM | #15 | |
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What about the steering ratios...is the US getting a 15.3:1 or a 15:1? |
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04-25-2003, 08:28 PM | #16 | |
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04-25-2003, 08:44 PM | #17 | |
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Why are US Evo buyers asking for a Quaiffe or some other front differential to kill understeer? |
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04-25-2003, 08:51 PM | #18 | |
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That's why people haven't been able to remove the weight through bumpers or bracing. That's not where the weight was added. The upshot was weight added to the front - but for a very good reason. The Evo VII may be ultimately a little better for performance reasons (at least in that regard), but you really, really wouldn't want to get into a head-on collision in one. Cheers, Paul Hansen www.apexjapan.com |
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04-25-2003, 09:36 PM | #20 | |
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04-25-2003, 09:46 PM | #21 |
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The EVO's weak. STI vs. used Z06, now that's a tough decision(unless of course you need the back seats or awd).
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04-25-2003, 11:04 PM | #23 |
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As with the WRX, I think that the STi will have no available competitor, when you consider that it is the only car among those mentioned (350Z, Evo, etc) in its price range that is fast all the time, in any conditions...rain, snow, dry, dirt trails, whatever.
Again as with the WRX, that makes it a very special breed. IMHO, to compare it to anything else does it a disservice. Kevin |
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04-26-2003, 12:42 AM | #25 |
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i re-read all my posts and i couldn't find what you are talking about. i said that the EVO has a better feel to it due to quicker steering and stiffer suspension, that still don't mean it handles better and i never said it did. like i said differenet cars for differenet people.
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