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12-30-2002, 11:55 PM | #26 | |
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12-31-2002, 08:43 AM | #27 |
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12-31-2002, 10:06 AM | #28 | |
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However, all markets that have gotten the 2.0 turbo Foresters, have also had (2.0) facelifted STis announced. Every market that has gotten 2.5 Foresters, have yet to get their turbo Foresters or STis announced. I think this is more than just a mere coincidence.
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Casting the way back clock to 1997 (for the MY98) we were the first market to receive a naturally aspirated 2.5 in an Impreza. They know how we (you) Americans love your cubic inches.
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12-31-2002, 11:57 AM | #32 |
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Why would they bring over a car (STI) with a 2.5 that does not even meet SCCA and WRC specs? That seems stupid to make their own rally teams pull out the 2.5 and put in a 2.0 and then do all the modifications...
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12-31-2002, 12:14 PM | #34 | |
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12-31-2002, 12:18 PM | #35 |
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As you said Glenn, if the STI is a 2.5 it would be quite a weapon. So to answer your question let's call it "The Weapon". Those who don't think we will get the 2.5 are like Scrooge before his conversion. These rest of us view life as a glass half full, not half empty! The reports of those folks who claim to have driven or ridden in the new STI (mostly Canadians) describe the STI as "Unbelievable". I can imagine a 2.5 STI being "unbelievable", but not a 2 liter running on our gas and with our emissions. Whatever motor the STI comes with, the losing "camp" will have to do some kind of penance on this board (like posting "I am an
idiot") as a sign of respect to the "winners". Happy New Year. |
12-31-2002, 12:24 PM | #36 | |
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Not being an engineer, I have heard that, all thing being equal, larger cylinders are a bit less efficient than smaller cylinders. So, that being the case, my guess would be somewhere around 215 HP, but with gobs of low-end torque. That would still give the 227 HP 2.0 WRX a big edge in power, as well as maintain its performance image. * = Big "if" for sure, at this point... Bob Last edited by rsholland; 12-31-2002 at 12:30 PM. |
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12-31-2002, 12:35 PM | #39 | |
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12-31-2002, 12:48 PM | #41 |
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To have an engine pass emission tests is pretty simple, bigger catylitic converter, ECU reprogrammed, etc. To fix it and gain full HP, you just have to ripp off the cat's, and reflash the engine. I thought I heard somewhere that the WRX has 2 or 3 cat's on it, just overheard from someone else, so I don't know how acurate (or if it is possible!), so I would like to know.
It is possible that the US got a 2.5L STi, but Japan would probally get it first. And yes, a 2.5L turbo would be a sort of monster. If you could do the AWD like a skyline does, up to 50% of the torque at the front wheels if the back wheels slip, and all the power at the back wheels and the center diff locked if wheels arn't spinning, then it would be a drag strip monster for shure. -Drew |
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The reason I think the Forester will come in a 2.0 Turbo form is because of the mileage coming out of the 175 hp machine, 30+mpg. It's not mean't as a big power maker, though I have heard it is suposed to be quite responsive, likely better than the 2.5 if that says anything. I do think they should have an upgraded version call it the XT Xtreme or something and bump the power to 210hp, WRX brakes, and a 1" suspension drop with a firmer ride. That would be a nice sporty Forester.
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12-31-2002, 01:23 PM | #44 | |
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If the US-spec STi gets a 2.5L engine, I will wear a pink...err, cherry blossom red....dress for a week. Now where's shirokuma (Paul Hansen) when you need him? Probably enjoying his New Year in Japan. Last edited by Zola; 12-31-2002 at 02:06 PM. |
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12-31-2002, 01:56 PM | #45 | |
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12-31-2002, 02:05 PM | #46 |
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As far as that statement goes remember the old rule- "What I tell you three times is true." For those of that cant smell it that was pure unadulterated sarcasm. Just because someone claims to be in the know doesnt mean that they are. My personal vote for the tag on the back of the car: 2.5KD (keep dreamin)
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didnt see this mentioned here so let me school those that do not know....the "22b" does not stand for the engine spec from what i know, its subarus clever attempt to adorn the subaru WRC rally team, 22b = 555. the '555' is translated into 22b in hex-decimal, one of the computer languages
anyhow about the 2.5 sti on the horizon who knows, its all rumor and speculation but dont rule it out just yet, north america may get a surprise some examples are the z32 fairlady and the supra that were fairly more powerful then their japanese brethren. it doesnt matter to me waht comes here as long as its finally an STi cheers |
12-31-2002, 02:55 PM | #48 |
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I tend to believe there is, in fact, a chance that it could be a 2.5 liter. One big reason recently is that tape over the model designation on the back of the test mule in Alaska. I mean, the brembos, the wing, the big meaty tires and wheels, everybody knows that's all Sti, but they put tape over the emblem? Seems strange to me.
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Isn't there a displacement restriction in WRC? That would be why the EVO also has a 2.0L engine and no one has bothered to just increase displacement to increase horsepower before? I can see the reasoning behind putting a 2.5 turbo in an Outback or Forester, but is it really worth it for Subaru to go tooling up to just put it in one car such as the STi?? The 22B wasn't a huge production run car like the one they likely will be sending here.
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