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Old 04-30-2003, 10:45 PM   #151
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Mitsubishi had very serious, dangerous defects in several Japan models for more than five years (I think it was eight years). We are not talking about squeeking ashtrays here.
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Old 04-30-2003, 11:00 PM   #152
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Ugh. Don't get me started on the 350Z. It was made worse for me because I'm a long-time Nissan/Datsun fan, having cut my teeth in 2-door '73 510's, then a heavily weight-reduced 280Z.
Man this thread populated quick!! Anyways....

Paul, I feel your pain. Everytime I see the 350Z I want to buy it, but I just have to keep remembering the test drive and how much of a dissapointment it was. I'm too young to have known the 280Z, but I'm sure it's a much better car than this one.

jrummy: yes, removing the limited slip in the front would reduce traction. I guess this contradicts the discussion we had in the other thread, doesn't it? However, locking the front tires together isn't much fun on a tight road-course...about as much fun as a FWD with a LSD anyway (read as: none). I doubt I'll ever get to removing it entirely, but maybe if I could find a tunable LSD unit, it could help. The sway bars will be a much quicker and cheaper test to start with...
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Old 04-30-2003, 11:23 PM   #153
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Hmm whats kinda funny is the STi does look sweet and **** on paper but i guess it ain't so hot on the road... idk i though maybe once, maybe once, suby finnaly won the battle and the STi overcame the legendary Evolution... but again.. Suby falls a little short of victory.. it's faster but it's not as fun to drive... ..Mitsu has done it again.. the legendery company exceeds beyond expectations..
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Old 04-30-2003, 11:54 PM   #154
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I agree 100% with that article - - especially with what Millen had to say - - I wouldnt trade my evo for a sti at any price - - the evo is a real blast to drive and has uncanny breaks and handling
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Old 04-30-2003, 11:57 PM   #155
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Psst....Al, they are BRAKES.

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Old 05-01-2003, 01:18 AM   #156
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No no, Al's correct; the Mitsubishi's "excellent" quality allows the Lan EVO to have excellent breaks.
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Old 05-01-2003, 01:26 AM   #157
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hahah! Just saw the latest Car and Driver article and this is hilarious. About the STi's hoodscoop . . .
"Also, the shape makes it perfect for use as a skateboard ramp. It could be used as a temporary shelter for diminutive immigrant family. Every morning, we'll awake to find several people pacing impatiently under the scoop's cover, waiting for a bus."
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Old 05-01-2003, 01:26 AM   #158
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Was Rod Millen the test driver at Willow Springs as well?

The article only seems to mention Rod Millen testing on a dirt course. Am I missing something? If it wasn't Millen, then who tested these cars at Willow?

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Old 05-01-2003, 01:51 AM   #159
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Was Rod Millen the test driver at Willow Springs as well?

The article only seems to mention Rod Millen testing on a dirt course. Am I missing something? If it wasn't Millen, then who tested these cars at Willow?
No, it doesn't seem like it. What was written was that Rod Millen did the dirt work, but nothing else. The implication is that a magazine driver did the track work. We don't even know if it was the same driver doing each car back to back, or two different drivers.

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Old 05-01-2003, 05:38 PM   #160
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Was Rod Millen the test driver at Willow Springs as well?

The article only seems to mention Rod Millen testing on a dirt course. Am I missing something? If it wasn't Millen, then who tested these cars at Willow?
Millen definitely did not do the Willow testing. "That the Subaru was faster on the straight and still posted a slower overall time mirrors our experience with lap tiems around the Streets of Willow road course."
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Old 05-01-2003, 06:19 PM   #161
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Was Rod Millen the test driver at Willow Springs as well?
I suspect that the track driving was done by Larry Webster, who does most of their instrumented tests.

he used to come out lapping days that I go to & run his IT CRX, but I have not seen him in a while. he probably gets anough track time in test cars...

I really think everyone is getting waaaaay to excited about the "problems" with the STi's handling. if the only difference between the suspension on the JDM V8 STi that Paul has described as being most excellent and what we get here is the 20mm front sway bar, it will be an easy/cheap enough thing to fix by going back to he 19mm bar.



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Old 05-01-2003, 06:22 PM   #162
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I suspect that the track driving was done by Larry Webster, who does most of their instrumented tests.

he used to come out lapping days that I go to & run his IT CRX, but I have not seen him in a while. he probably gets anough track time in test cars...

I really think everyone is getting waaaaay to excited about the "problems" with the STi's handling. if the only difference between the suspension on the JDM V8 STi that Paul has described as being most excellent and what we get here is the 20mm front sway bar, it will be an easy/cheap enough thing to fix by going back to he 19mm bar.



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Has anyone yet determined if the camber from the factory is set different on the USDM STi than on the JDM STi? I saw no additional mention of this in the suspension thread.

Also, are we confirmed the swaybar is the only difference? What if something was added/changed to accomodate the 2.5 liter? I think we'll have to wait until someone tears one apart before we know.
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Old 05-01-2003, 06:59 PM   #163
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Why would anything change to accomodate the 2.5l? The engine has the same external dimensions as the 2L and adding displacement means less metal on the inside so I dont see how it could weigh more.
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Old 05-02-2003, 01:46 PM   #164
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(may be the first time that people install a smaller front arb as a modification).
Hmmm, got here a little late and may have missed it in reading the posts but the SPT suspension upgrade for the WRX Sedan here in the US includes a smaller front ARB.

And someone asked where John Felsted is. He flew out to the Rim of the World rally so he probably hasn't been able to read this or comment for the past few days.
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Old 05-02-2003, 09:22 PM   #165
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Man, I'm gonna spend like $25 on magazines this month....

my fav. still is Automobile.... (prolly cuz WRX got car of the year )
I think Car and Driver and Automobile do good jobs.
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Old 05-02-2003, 10:32 PM   #166
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I really think everyone is getting waaaaay to excited about the "problems" with the STi's handling. if the only difference between the suspension on the JDM V8 STi that Paul has described as being most excellent and what we get here is the 20mm front sway bar, it will be an easy/cheap enough thing to fix by going back to he 19mm bar.
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Well, hopefully that's true. I think what is worrying people is the possibility that a 1mm difference in the sway bar and milder factory camber settings CANNOT account for the differences between the USDM STi and and the Evo or Paul's description of the JDM STi. That said, I'm sure 90% of STi owners will never experience the "detached steering" or "unforgiveable understeer" that magazines are complaining about, nor will 90% of EVO owners push the car to the 10/10 needed to appreciate its true handling prowess
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