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09-01-2019, 09:42 PM | #4001 | |
Ethon
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A lot of large scale mining equipment is already electrified, when the sources of electricity become carbon neutral then that part of the cycle becomes neutral. This is electrification followed by greening of the power sources is projected to happen for all aspects of the life cycle of vehicles, and all other manufacturing for that matter. That change is happening fast enough I just do not see the real advantage of these vehicles since it will take the dirty energy we use now to produce them now and they will probably last much longer than any environmental advantage they can provide reducing the environmental advantage of their production too near zero or in fact a negative number compared to not building them and the facilities need to produce them. Particularly given that they are no where near production at this point. It just seems like an unnecessary and potentially wasteful interim step for road transportation. But again, that shape could be useful and have an economically justifiable use for as a personal transportation flying vehicle. This kind of economic/environmental calculus is a significant part of climate modeling and I don't immediately see any obvious advantage to producing these at any significant scale at this point. They look neat, I am not saying you should not buy one, but I am more that a little suspicious that the benefit to climate will pen out in the end. But hey, we have the Prius and it's green cred over a simple efficient small displacement ICE has been questionable since the beginning. I can however see these\/\/ emissions skyrocketing if they go into production.
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09-01-2019, 09:56 PM | #4002 | |
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I agree that it won't make a huge difference on a population scale because no one would buy these in a statistical sense, but I'm saying there's a potential rational basis for wanting one of these, not just because it looks sweet (IMO). |
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09-02-2019, 12:43 AM | #4003 |
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Am I the only one who just puts their mtb inside the SUV instead of on a rack? Maybe too many years in Oregon fearing for theft of bikes has affected me.
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09-02-2019, 12:53 AM | #4004 |
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09-02-2019, 08:59 AM | #4005 |
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Wheels stay on in the 4runner.
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09-02-2019, 09:20 AM | #4006 |
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Related: current set up of kid seats in the Land Cruiser is of the 3rd row being halfway up/installed with a Britax Pinnacle 90 for the 6 year old who can buckle and unbuckle herself, and the 2nd row with a rear facing (again! So that they can face each other) Britax Advocate Clicktight in the middle position. Amidst all that plus with my long wheelbase, 800 mm bar equipped 29er the interior is a no go. |
09-02-2019, 09:53 AM | #4007 |
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BEV F-150 “before 2022”:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...ing-its-bosses Before it the Mustang based EV crossover, whatever the hell that is, and an electric Transit after—they didn’t apply the Connect suffix so the full size one for cargo routes perhaps? |
09-02-2019, 09:53 AM | #4008 | |
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I find it interesting that you're only comparing fuel expenses in your spreadsheet. I would have thought you'd have the total cost/mile figured out by now. , shik.
I'm sure the LC would still be in the lead over the hitch. The Aptera's shape is going to require composite construction which likely means carbon fiber (because the buyers of such a vehicle will think that's necessary over 'pedestrian' fiberglass), which requires a tremendous amount of energy sunk into just creating the filament. Then it's going to need to be made with rare plant-based resins, but we all know they're just going to use the cheap petroleum-based stuff because the buyers don't care, so long as it looks the part. Quote:
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09-02-2019, 11:55 AM | #4009 | |
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I figured the LC would be the clear winner once you added in labor cost for installation. $500 for installation seems pretty high but that's another topic. Conversely I got my hitch for $375 on a BF sale and installed it myself and ignoring what my time is worth I am comfortable with the amount extra I put into my 3 to give it bike carrying duties. Of course I did buy a single One Up as well for the Tesla as I didn't want the huge Thule 4 tray on the 3. Simply put there are much more economical choices for vehicles than the Model 3 at the moment but I believe that at some point one has to model the change they want to see in the world and I definitely believe we as humans need to move to a more sustainable interaction with the world as whole. I do think that the true win of something like a Model 3 is if one keeps it for the long term, say 15 years. EV's are likely to win when considering the long game considering daily operation costs, low maintenance and projected reliability. For sure it would have been more economical for me to just keep my paid off '12 4Runner with only 40k miles and used that for the next ten years and sometimes I wish I'd done so but driving the Tesla does feel revolutionary to me and I'm happy to have purchased and own it. |
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09-02-2019, 12:00 PM | #4010 | ||
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But there are a number of one and two occupant vehicles in development, we will see if they overcome some of the problems and get past the development stage. |
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09-02-2019, 01:01 PM | #4011 | |
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Leaving my 1up single mounted on the 4Runner is far more convenient than trying to load the bike inside. The security on the 1up isn’t great but I park in a secure lot at work and bring cable lock when I need to go beyond the 1up wheel lock. |
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09-02-2019, 04:38 PM | #4012 | ||||
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(As an aside I am thinking I’ll cut back on these extra shifts in future months even if it extends the time until I can cut back to 0.7 FTE by a few months ultimately. The calculus is shifting such that I’m not thinking the extra money is worth it… especially when it’s taxed at my marginal rate.) Quote:
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As with the above I’m with you… except that I got that Toyota back and now awkwardly must figure out how to balance both the old Toyota I’m attached to and the sleek, super modern Tesla that does somethings fantastically well (acceleration, looks IMO, cleanliness/roominess of interior) and others not so much (road noise although not horrible by any means, phone integration—where’s my damn CarPlay?!). |
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09-02-2019, 04:42 PM | #4013 | |||
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Vehicle suggestions for shikataganai (CN: Bought a ****in' Pacifica)
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The Volocopter folks seem to think it’s feasible… https://www.theverge.com/transportat...intel-ces-2018 Last edited by shikataganai; 09-02-2019 at 04:48 PM. |
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09-02-2019, 04:44 PM | #4014 | |
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Ultimately anything mounted to a rack is vulnerable to an angle grinder to the rack’s body… or even just having the hitch itself unbolted from the vehicle’s frame. Locks are just to deter crimes of convenience. |
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09-02-2019, 05:19 PM | #4015 | |
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And the people willing to take angle grinder to a rack or unbolt the hitch aren’t willing to slim jim the car or smash out the glass? |
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09-02-2019, 05:24 PM | #4016 |
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I have no intention of getting such a thing (no, really), but this caught me eye from Jalopnik’s review of the Jeep Gladiator (the Wrangler-pickup thing):
Note that there is one configuration that yields good towing and good payload. Max payload rating is on a setup with low towing, and apart from that one Gladiator Sport config anything else that tows 6,000 lbs or up has **** payload. (For reference my Land Cruiser has a 1,500 lb payload and 6,500 lb tow rating.) |
09-02-2019, 05:25 PM | #4017 |
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1,105-1,200 lbs payload for a 2 row vehicle with, say, 4 people riding in it, some gear in the back, and maybe 700 lbs tongue weight from a trailer is simply insufficient.
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09-02-2019, 05:34 PM | #4018 |
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Like anyone pays attention to payload ratings.....clearly you're doing it wrong.
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09-02-2019, 05:47 PM | #4019 |
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The purpose of the Gladiator is to print money from sales to Jeep-lyfe bros. Can they still mount LED light bars, cheap lifts, Rock star wheels and angry grille? If yes, it will do all it needs to do.
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09-02-2019, 05:48 PM | #4020 |
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09-02-2019, 05:59 PM | #4021 | |
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And Shik, that's why the e-rated tires on the rear of an HD pickup are to be inflated to 75 psi |
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09-02-2019, 06:13 PM | #4022 | |
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I found this in Japan for my CJ7 owning buddy. The CJ didn’t make it on the off-roading trip last year due to life... but hopefully he will have it this year when I give him the shirt. |
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09-02-2019, 06:20 PM | #4023 |
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Great shirt!
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09-02-2019, 07:07 PM | #4024 |
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So let me see if I understand.. you need +1" tires, >6000lbs capacity and goatse hitch just for a bike rack. Amirite?
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09-02-2019, 08:29 PM | #4025 |
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Shik-logic at work. You'd swear he's a government employee based on that!
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