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05-04-2021, 08:57 AM | #8751 | |
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I went with the 991.2 GTS with PDK. I park my 911 for the winter, and wanted it in RWD. Will only see the track 2x this year. The AWD of the 911 is awesome, but I wanted a RWD hence no Turbo, for now. I am keeping my eye out for a C4S manual transmission, but would require me to get rid of a car for the parking situation. Having driven the GT4 I am glad that I went with the 911. More room, more comfortable, and more civilized. If you are going to track the car then I would consider the GT4. My biggest regret is getting rid of my 04 STi, as I really miss a manual transmission. The 911 exceeds my expectations for what a fun car to drive, and does it comfortably. Why not consider a 991.2 C4 GTS with manual transmission. Get all the fun of shifting yourself and your AWD drivetrain. w.r.t. pricing I agree that the 997 TT, GT4 (along with most other 911s) seem to be appreciating (after their initial depreciation). FWIW, my dealer is trying to get me into a new Porsche, and is offering me close to what I paid on my 911 3 years ago. They are selling 2018/2019 similar spec'd cars (with more mileage) for close to what I paid in 2019 (new). The 2016 GT4s have gone up 15% in the last 3 years locally.
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05-04-2021, 11:10 AM | #8752 | |
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Vehicle:2020 Kia Telluride 2021 Porsche Taycan |
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997TT = a solid performer for all situations and purposes. GT4 = drive only if you intend to go balls out and run the Rev band with each drive, not very enjoyable when just pootling around. So whichever you want to buy (non GT 911 vs Cayman GT4) just depends on how many hats you want that car to wear and what hats the other cars in your garage can wear so you don't have too much redundancy/overlap. |
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05-04-2021, 02:09 PM | #8753 | |
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Location: Winter Park, FL
Vehicle:2016 GT4 CWM |
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Problem is I want to keep them all and get the TCT, but that makes NO sense. I mean, it's just the two of us, we only have a 2 car garage, and we don't need another car. So what do I get rid of? GT4 appears to be the answer to that. ...also have my eye on another motorcycle, too! We were able to go on a quick test drive yesterday in a Taycan Turbo and it was nice. I mean, nice. I currently don't have a good analog to that car (that's me trying to justify it as an addition). But, I'd be lying if I said getting into the GT4 after wasn't fun, though. Hearing the engine, rowing through the gears, all that "Porsche purist" crap I roll my eyes at. But still, that Taycan was another level. Totally different animal. I mean, I'm trying to justify the TCT as something for when it's too damn hot to ride the motorcycles, or rainy, or, or, or... Just something nicer for the wife to commute in that isn't a 2003 Tacoma. And I'd like more solid info on range. Family is ~250 miles away and I'm there 5-6 times per year. ...and I'm not sure that's enough reason to spend $100K on another car. Dealer's leaning on me to get something locked in saying that the window for configuration closes 5/6. I'm afraid I'm not excited enough about this car like I was the GT4 to move forward. ...but I want to. |
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05-04-2021, 03:32 PM | #8754 | |
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If you drive and enjoy your GT4 enough to justify keeping it, there's nothing wrong with keeping it Also it will definitely hold onto its value the farther we move away from N/A manual trans sports cars. I was kind of hoping to buy a used GT4 in a few years when I have some cash saved up but it looks like those prices are following the trend of air cooled Porsches, they won't be going down any time soon and the goal post is moving further away. My only angle is once I have the TCT fully paid off in a few years I may shop around for a used GT4 then and consider one if prices haven't over inflated to an insane degree, and then replace the TCT with a more modestly priced EV (the Kia EV6 GT would fill that slot nicely). But we'll see when that time comes, I'm hoping to always have one Porsche in the stable even if it changes every handful of years. |
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05-04-2021, 04:06 PM | #8755 |
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Funny thing, all this GT4 talk and this popped up on my YT feed:
A shop in NY offers a stroker kit to increasing the GT4 engine displacement to 4.5 L |
05-04-2021, 04:28 PM | #8756 |
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05-04-2021, 04:40 PM | #8757 | |
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Location: seattle
Vehicle:2012 J train Brown |
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The answer of "drive them and see which one fits" is the right move, I'll need to do that. In terms of maintenance etc, I assume they are similar? Obv the 997 is older so I'll run into stuff inherently in it (i'd be looking for ones w/ the IMS fixed and the coolant pins already done ideally), but I'd assume there isn't anything much different that I'd need to worry about? |
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05-04-2021, 04:52 PM | #8758 | |
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Vehicle:2023 Macan GTS Python Green |
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997TT engines do not have IMS issues. Coolant lines / cam fixes are only required on the 997.1 Mezger engines; the DFI engines on the 997.2's don't suffer from these problems. Outside of that there's major service intervals but other than maybe aging spark plugs and coil packs they're one of the more reliable Porsche's out there. The GT4's are too new to really have nay big issues manifesting themselves yet (GT$ owners feel free to chime in), and depending on the year you're likely still covered under the factory warranty. PCCB's are great - make sure to check the rotors (if they are equipped) to check for wear, as you likely wont want to foot the $15k bill to replace ones that have been decimated by hard track use. The good news if you can buy steel bolts on conversions for roughly $2500 once those go, which they never should unless the car gets frequent hard track use. Edit: Nightly trip to stare at the car confirms the 997 never gets old Last edited by PGH'02RS; 05-04-2021 at 11:36 PM. |
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05-05-2021, 01:23 PM | #8759 |
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this. mezger engines are 911 GT1 derived
I wish I had my old hosting account still I had pics from our shop where the 996 GT3 coolant pipe comes unglued, which dumps coolant right over the rear wheels and has a tendency to cause them to wad up into walls |
05-08-2021, 01:06 AM | #8760 |
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Vehicle:2008 STi IAG built HTA86 E85 Kel272s Cos IM |
For my 5th year anniversary of my GT4, I spent $8000 (gears, freight, install) to get shorter guards gears 1-4th along with aftermarket flywheel and clutch. Instead of second topping at 83mph, it tops out at 69mph shorter gears transformed this car to a brand new car
Along with all bolt ons + 718 GT4 clubsport intake manifold + Cobb br0tune, the car made 400 whp https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4-spyder/1237975-718-clubsport-intake-manifold-dyno-results.html I have zero itch to get a GT3 now and will be upgrading to 4.5L down the line |
05-08-2021, 01:22 AM | #8761 |
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The new 718 GT4 4.0L has engine problems
https://www.torquenews.com/9900/porsche-announces-stop-sale-2021-model-year-718-spyder-cayman-boxster-citing-connecting-rod-issues/amp The old 981 GT4 9A1 3.8L motor has cam bolts that wear out but rare occurrence. Otherwise it is a solid engine I have 36,000 miles on my engine |
05-08-2021, 11:15 AM | #8762 | |
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When I was shopping a GT4 potential plans were to either do what you did, or change the final gear ratio. Reading all reviews regearing 1-4 or changing the final drive transforms the car. I still want a 2016 GT4. Will live vicariously through you. |
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05-13-2021, 04:17 PM | #8765 |
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05-15-2021, 04:27 PM | #8766 |
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So the latest development with my Cross Turismo order:
Turned out after a bit of research, I figured out the local dealership I placed my build order with, wasn't being fully transparent with me and jerking me around. They gave me the impression they had a build slot allocation from Porsche ready to go for the car I wanted, but that didn't turn out to be the case and they took my deposit and were basically sitting around waiting for an allocation to come their way But thanks to some helpful folks on the FB Taycan group and the Rennlist forums, I was able to hook up with a dealership in TX (Grapevine Porsche) this morning who did have a build slot for a Cross Turismo 4S, and the sales associated I was referred to was super professional and we closed the deal in a matter of hrs. I paid my deposit (and getting the same deposit refunded back to me from my local dealership, so it cancels out) and they immediately send me confirmation of my build order including commision # and estimated delivery date (9/2021) which was more than my local SA accomplished in the past two months since I put down my original deposit. So now I have at least have an estimated target date of delivery (subject to change of course) but a definitely build slot in the factory in Germany now. Best of all, I optioned the PEC Los Angeles Delivery Experience for an additional $500 so I don't have to deal with arranging truck transport of my car and basically Porsche and the dealership will take care of it for me at probably half the cost of a private transport service, comes complete with a bells and whistles song and dance, free lunch and I hear possible track time on their course but I have to confirm that last bit. |
05-15-2021, 06:20 PM | #8767 | |
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05-15-2021, 06:28 PM | #8768 |
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Yeah here we go, the PEC LA Delivery experience does come with the VIP experience, lunch at their restaurant (quite good I've eaten there before) and 90 min time on their test track
https://www.porsche.com/usa/motorspo...y/yourarrival/ |
05-16-2021, 12:26 PM | #8769 | |
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05-25-2021, 07:15 PM | #8770 |
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05-27-2021, 11:12 AM | #8771 |
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So this was interesting, I get an email pertaining to my upcoming delivery about a whole checklist of items, one of which was the chance to spend even more money on a customized Porsche Design Chronograph available only to customers who order their cars direct from the factory.
For anyone bored here is the online configurator link, feel free to play https://timepiecesconfigurator.porsc...ature=Preis-US So I knew nothing about the actual quality or components of these PD branded watches (altho i have seen them in person at the local PD store at the mall). Some quick research consulting some fellow Porsche owners and watch enthusiasts led me to find out that Porsche Design used to subcontract the work out to Swiss watch brand Eterna (never heard of them) but now contract the work out to IWC (definitely heard of them). While they seem like decent chronographs, the coolest feature by far are the customizable automatic rotors based on Porsche wheel designs, but are those worth another $2k on top of an already $5k Porsche branded chronograph that is probably worth closer to $3-4K without the branding? Probably not. I definitely think that $5-6k is better spent towards a new Speedy Pro or the Tudor BB Chrono like I'm planning in the future. The only real value I can determine is if one is a total whore for Porsche branded merchandise and for flex/bragging points in the Porsche community that they ordered their cars direct from factory vs buying off the lot/second hand, I guess. |
06-05-2021, 04:09 PM | #8772 |
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Looks like someone in the UK got one of the 1st Cross Turismos out of the factory, at least some are being built to completion despite factory delays and parts shortages
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/th...my-ct-4s.5264/ |
06-05-2021, 09:08 PM | #8773 |
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I found out that there is a waiting list for new GT4s, the dealer suggested I put my name down (and a refundable deposit) as it may be ~ 1 year until I can get one. I'm number 7 on the list right now!
Never done this before, so this is all new to me I think I may follow edkwon's move and call around to find a dealer who can get it sooner (at least 6 months!) and just have it delivered to LA for the driver experience so I can drive it back over a few days. |
06-06-2021, 12:59 PM | #8774 | |
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Once you accomplish, you can demand the deposit back from the first dealership you did business with them and they should give it back no questions asked. That's what I did when I did secure a build slot thru a TX dealership and asked for my local dealership (in CA) deposit back almost immediately. Make sure to talk directly to their finance manager, they should credit it back to whatever CC you used right away. Once you do get an actual build slot in the Porsche factory queue and put a deposit down, then you're committed to a degree and can't easily ask for that deposit money back anymore, if for some reason you decide not to go thru with buying the car once its built and delivered you have a couple options that I know of: 1. let the car be delivered to dealership and the dealership must find another buyer who will sell it to another customer (they most likely will slap a dealer markup on the car that may turn away some potential buyers) and once its sold you get your deposit money, but it could take who knows how long, and it'll fall on you to keep track of things and know when its sold and ask for your money back, they should let you know but I'm sure many dealerships will have zero problem continuing to hold onto your money until you say something. 2. Find someone to take over your build allocation slot (and of course compensate you for at least the cost of the deposit, or maybe ask for a little more since a build slot to buy a GT car at MSRP is kind of a commodity, and make a little profit for yourself) then you have to contact the dealership and have to fill out paperwork so the ownership of that build slot is properly tranferred to the new buyer. Any other questions feel free to ask or PM me. |
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06-09-2021, 04:47 PM | #8775 | |
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I'm also getting a little help from my local car storage place that has ties with the local Porsche dealerships. Hopefully that helps move the needle a bit. |
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