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10-20-2016, 01:44 PM | #51 | |
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10-20-2016, 02:03 PM | #52 | |
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10-20-2016, 02:08 PM | #53 | |
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Specifically, FA20 is an engine with unique cylinder heads with a complex fueling system that Subaru or Toyota do not use anywhere else in their respective line-up. Costly. No other vehicle uses that chassis. Costly. At least, using FA20DIT would eliminate the need to use that costly 205-hp "beast" of an engine. I'm pretty sure Subaru engineers can ditch the TMIC for an FMIC and modify the exhaust manifold of WRX/FXT to relocate the turbo in order to maintain ground clearance. |
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10-20-2016, 02:17 PM | #54 | |
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10-20-2016, 02:20 PM | #55 | |
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Keep the seats (they are some of the best of any car I have owned). Keep the 6mt gear box (again, very good tranny). Many other parts are just off the shelf from the Subaru parts bin (from the WRX). So much about the current FT86 is so good. They don't need to change much. Follow Mazda with the Miata in terms of making the FT86 gen II lighter than gen 1 |
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10-20-2016, 02:25 PM | #56 |
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Just to be clear I am talking about next gen FT86. Not current gen. At this point they might as well hold off and get people excited and hype up the new car.
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10-20-2016, 02:30 PM | #57 |
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10-20-2016, 02:32 PM | #58 | |
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I agree. When they killed Scion, they should have ended production on the twins, and started fresh with the next gen as a Toyota. Which I think is what Josh in the article was getting at. |
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10-20-2016, 02:43 PM | #59 | |
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Sure its a niche car but sales seem to be inline with what they expected. Again, not everyone wants a Mustang, Camaro, or WRX. While I think we all agree a base WRX is a ton of car for the money, you can't just look at the specs, the WRX feels like driving in a boat after getting out of the FT86. It's just a very different driving dynamic. |
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10-20-2016, 02:49 PM | #60 | |
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It's a modified Impreza platform, built on an old Impreza production line. The rear suspension is straight out of an Impreza while the front suspension is flipped over so that the front control arms are mounted further forward. The front hubs are even straight out of an Impreza with plugs that fill up the middle where the CV axles would otherwise pass through. Nobody expects the Forester to be costly because it's a modified Impreza.. but the moment you make you sports car out of an Impreza platform it's Ferrari-level unobtanium. The only reason the twins are priced so high is that Toyota wanted to make a hefty profit off of it. |
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Thought it was built in the old Kei car plant? |
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Industry rags have compared the BRZ to the GTI to the FoST to the FiST to the WRX over the years. Why would they do that? Because the price points are ballpark, not the necessarily the exact apples apples comparisons.
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The D4-S helps with a few things, such as intake gunk build up and particulate emissions. |
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So what was the big surprise mentioned in the OP? 5 hp and 5 tq?
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10-21-2016, 02:41 AM | #67 | |
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I don't care what the rags say. My statement lies squarely against yours about how "Subaru" is marketing the BRZ. Not who compares what. It is certainly compared to many things. Had a dude last week saying, "I'm either going to get that STI, or an F-250". Go figure. |
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I read, in an earlier article, that the manual transmission cars will get a slightly revised motor with new tuning that gets rid of the infamous flat-spot in the torque curve. The peak HP goes up 5 but there is a bit more power in other parts of the rev band, which is more important.
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Bummed on the new front bumper. Looks like it got a fat lip and the grimace that comes with the pain of having a fat lip. Gimme a scion FR-S and ill throw toyota badges on it and call it a day.
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It's going to be real good especially the new Supra. My neighbor big cheese at Toyota so I know.
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Next-Generation Toyota 86 Reportedly Due 2021 With Bigger Engine The center gravity will reportedly drop, too, which will potentially give the BRZ and 86 even better handlinG Toyota and Subaru have been rather open about plans to build another generation of the 86 and BRZ twins, and a new report from Japan has shed a little more light on what to expect from the future sports coupes. The most enticing detail is that the new generation would drop the existing 2.0-liter boxer four-cylinder in favor of a 2.4-liter unit, according to The Japan Times. The center of gravity will also be lower than on the current models. The report makes no mention whether the mill is turbocharged. Forced induction at least seems like a possibility because new Subaru Ascent uses a 2.4-liter turbocharged powerplant that produces 260 horsepower (194 kilowatts) and 277 pound-feet (376 Newton-meters) of torque. oyota 86 and Supra chief engineer Tetsuya Tada previously said that the only way for the factory to create a turbocharged version of the coupe would require a whole new platform. A new generation would seem like the perfect opportunity to make this change happen. The next-gen Toyota 86 would debut in 2021, according to The Japan Times. Subaru will still handle production at its Gunma factory, which will presumably mean the new BRZ will arrive at the same time. The BRZ will also allegedly provide a greater level of driver safety by offering Subaru's EyeSight assistance suite. The latest version on the 2019 Forester includes features like pre-collision braking, adaptive cruise control, and lane keep assist. Reverse automatic braking, blind spot detection, and rear cross traffic alert are extra options with the system. The existing BRZ and 86 (Scion FR-S at the time) began production in 2012. A slight refresh for the 2017 model year brought small design tweaks and an extra 5 hp (4 kW) for vehicles with the manual transmission. |
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If Toyota has anything to say about it (which they do) it's not going to have a turbo; because Supra. Unless Subaru wants to have Subaru only turbo models that they solely pay for crash testing of (which they won't).
Sorry guys & gals, it's going to be a 2.4L NA boxer, with roughly 220hp/175tq |
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