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Old 09-18-2020, 07:44 AM   #26
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seems like a cheaper Macan or something? is there something between a standard cute ute and a Macan? Or is this too small?
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All of these things are reminding me of the wife's X1, which has been lowered and tuned. I guess that car was ahead of its time, and something about the window sticker.
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Mazda has such a conundrum. Magazines and internet car guys love them but the masses don't. I don't see them making it into the next decade without being majority purchased by a larger automaker.
The typical Mazda test drive ends in this car drives great, but has some issues. Tiny trunk, not enough power, no Apple carplay etc etc.

Mazda always fumbles in the red zone.
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seems like a cheaper Macan or something? is there something between a standard cute ute and a Macan? Or is this too small?
CX30 has a shorter wheelbase by 6"
CX30 length is 11" shorter
CX30 width is 6" skinnier
CX30 height is 1.3" shorter

By all accounts, CX30 is smaller. However, it's also $22k cheaper than the base Macan (with more power/tq) never mind the GTS, where you can get 2 CX30s & still have $12k in your pocket (but now down on power).

It's more Impreza Hatch/Crosstrek sized. Cargo volume with rear seats up is 20.8cuft for Impreza, 20cuft for CX30. Passenger space is 94cuft for CX30 and 100cuft for Impreza. Interior dimensions all favor the Impreza too. (Headroom in the Impreza is 1.7" higher, 1.4" more front legroom, 1.1" more front shoulder room).

But... still way down on power/tq. Mazda has a hit on their hands with this I think, if power means anything.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:40 AM   #30
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I think the CX30, lowered with a decent suspension (with this HP/TQ combo), it could be a really fun car. Mazda has always had driving dynamics down (which might get screwed up if not lowered properly).

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Since the Mazda 3 will have the turbo and AWD, that'd be the easier way to go.

Luckily no manual so I don't have buyer's remorse about the Si.

This does look better than the 3 hatch though. I hope they are big sellers for Mazda cause the CX-30, 3 and CX-5 are great. CX-9 needs a rethink.
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Since the Mazda 3 will have the turbo and AWD, that'd be the easier way to go.

Luckily no manual so I don't have buyer's remorse about the Si.

This does look better than the 3 hatch though. I hope they are big sellers for Mazda cause the CX-30, 3 and CX-5 are great. CX-9 needs a rethink.
Either the 3 is under reporting HP or the CX30 is over reporting... or, the CX30 is going to come with more HP/TW than the 3....

3 - 227/310
CX30 - 250/320

So one of those things is going on. Or, the 2021 3 will get a bump to match the CX30?

Also, if I were to get one and lower it... I wouldn't lower the CX30 down to a 3 height. I'd still want to have it up a little more. The 3 is 5.5" of ground clearance, the CX30 is 8". Dropping it an inch+ will still give it plenty of ground clearance, get rid of the gap, and more than likely will be able to fit wider tires (where the 3's options will be limited).

The CX30 will already be coming with wider rubber than the 3 too.

(3) 215/45-18 vs (CX30) 215/55-18 (wider by 1/2").

Lower it an inch or so, put on some lower profile 19s or 20s and being able to run wider tires?

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Either the 3 is under reporting HP or the CX30 is over reporting... or, the CX30 is going to come with more HP/TW than the 3....

3 - 227/310
CX30 - 250/320

So one of those things is going on. Or, the 2021 3 will get a bump to match the CX30?

Also, if I were to get one and lower it... I wouldn't lower the CX30 down to a 3 height. I'd still want to have it up a little more. The 3 is 5.5" of ground clearance, the CX30 is 8". Dropping it an inch+ will still give it plenty of ground clearance, get rid of the gap, and more than likely will be able to fit wider tires (where the 3's options will be limited).

The CX30 will already be coming with wider rubber than the 3 too.

(3) 215/45-18 vs (CX30) 215/55-18 (wider by 1/2").

Lower it an inch or so, put on some lower profile 19s or 20s and being able to run wider tires?

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I think the power diff is just marketing; that 2.5T makes 227/310 on 87 and 250/320 on 93.
And, power output on 87 and 93 is the same all the way to 4K RPM.
The extra power only materializes above 4K.
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OK, I actually didn't find that anywhere on the 3. But, I think the height of the CX may allow for wider tires due to height/suspension clearance. Meaning being able to run some wide tires, easier than on the 3. Can't wait to get under them to measure things.

19x10 with 20-30mm offset... with 255/45-19 Pilot SS? (same rolling dia. as OEM) Like another inch of tread width beefy. Will they fit? Mazda has always had some extra room. Hmmm....

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Old 09-20-2020, 04:22 PM   #35
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That's a '20 (from tire rack) on 20s and lowered where it gets rid of the gap.... Looks proportional, but not as low as a 3. I think it has some rake to it, stock. With a 1" wider tire... lots of grip for the higher power, could be a sleeper. Especially if someone comes out with some tuning for it. I think it has more fender space to work with than the 3 also... making it the one to choose.

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Old 09-20-2020, 05:47 PM   #36
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This is where subaru should be at this point with the crosstrek. Sure the faster ones coming but the cx just... has its act together, esp with interior refinement and driving feel

Trying to get the lady, whos after a new xt onyx, to drive the cx30, 5 and golf alltrak and K5 and G70 also. Xt just doesnt sound worth the cash and i know wed both hate that damn screen. Alltrak seems so much better for the money. Anyway......
You can get low mileage 2020 Volvo v60 cross country's too for like $36k. We didn't like it that much when we test drove it though. But they're beautiful cars.
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You can get low mileage 2020 Volvo v60 cross country's too for like $36k. We didn't like it that much when we test drove it though. But they're beautiful cars.
250hp for 4202 lb curb weight. Most of the other cars he listed are much lighter than that. That's why they're not moving many... because they are much heavier. The T6 was the "needed" engine, which they dropped, to match the heft properly. I was going to buy a 2020 V60 T6 RDesign, but they didn't come. Only T5s. If I want a T6, it's only in Sedan.

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You can get low mileage 2020 Volvo v60 cross country's too for like $36k. We didn't like it that much when we test drove it though. But they're beautiful cars.
Really? I had that specific car as a rental back in February in Chandler, AZ, and I really liked it. What didn't you like about it? I know it's heavy, and the engine isn't gonna win any awards, but it flowed through traffic pretty well and was capable off-road.
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You can get low mileage 2020 Volvo v60 cross country's too for like $36k. We didn't like it that much when we test drove it though. But they're beautiful cars.
2021s are coming shortly. You can probably get a new 2020 leftover for the same(ish) price. For another grand or so, you can do the polestar tune to it, only 8ish hp, but 40ft/lb more torque. Might make it that much better.

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Old 09-20-2020, 09:50 PM   #40
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Really? I had that specific car as a rental back in February in Chandler, AZ, and I really liked it. What didn't you like about it? I know it's heavy, and the engine isn't gonna win any awards, but it flowed through traffic pretty well and was capable off-road.
I didn't drive it, just my wife - she did complain that it's slow. I wasn't a fan of the head unit, and in general, it just didn't feel like you were getting $45k of car.

I think it's more attractive when you look at used 2020s - some were like $12k off MSRP with 8k miles. There's a dealership in NH that has a bunch of used 2020s, I'd guess demos or exec cars?

Doesn't matter now, my wife chose the Ascent. Which I'll say does feel like way more car for the same money.
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250hp for 4202 lb curb weight. Most of the other cars he listed are much lighter than that. That's why they're not moving many... because they are much heavier. The T6 was the "needed" engine, which they dropped, to match the heft properly. I was going to buy a 2020 V60 T6 RDesign, but they didn't come. Only T5s. If I want a T6, it's only in Sedan.

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The CX5 felt like a sports car in comparison. My wife really liked the CX5, but we probably needed something bigger, so went with the Ascent.
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I didn't drive it, just my wife - she did complain that it's slow. I wasn't a fan of the head unit, and in general, it just didn't feel like you were getting $45k of car.

I think it's more attractive when you look at used 2020s - some were like $12k off MSRP with 8k miles. There's a dealership in NH that has a bunch of used 2020s, I'd guess demos or exec cars?

Doesn't matter now, my wife chose the Ascent. Which I'll say does feel like way more car for the same money.
Having driven both, I can confirm you've chosen wisely. The Volvo would be a great car at mid-$30k. I also wasn't crazy about the head unit. The Ascent just feels familiar in a good way. And it's spunky to drive. Feels smaller than its large size would presume.
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Either the 3 is under reporting HP or the CX30 is over reporting... or, the CX30 is going to come with more HP/TW than the 3....

3 - 227/310
CX30 - 250/320

So one of those things is going on. Or, the 2021 3 will get a bump to match the CX30?

Also, if I were to get one and lower it... I wouldn't lower the CX30 down to a 3 height. I'd still want to have it up a little more. The 3 is 5.5" of ground clearance, the CX30 is 8". Dropping it an inch+ will still give it plenty of ground clearance, get rid of the gap, and more than likely will be able to fit wider tires (where the 3's options will be limited).

The CX30 will already be coming with wider rubber than the 3 too.

(3) 215/45-18 vs (CX30) 215/55-18 (wider by 1/2").

Lower it an inch or so, put on some lower profile 19s or 20s and being able to run wider tires?

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That's not wider rubber, it's taller rubber, by about 1.7". The first number is width, the second number is aspect ratio/height and third is obviously wheel diameter.
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My wife likes my 6 year old beater Mazda 3 more than her brand new Sportage. The new cx-30 would be a perfect upgrade for her in a few years.
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My wife likes my 6 year old beater Mazda 3 more than her brand new Sportage. The new cx-30 would be a perfect upgrade for her in a few years.
I drove a Sportage as a rental car during one of my business trips. I travel a lot for work (pre-pandemic) and on purpose rent all sorts of different cars from the airport I would not personally buy (no prejudice, luxury cars included) to see how they drive to entertain myself during the long drives.

I was impressed with Hyundai's Santa Fe, Tuscan, but Sportage was a little different. I too think the previous gen Mazda3 drove better. I too think the CX30 is going to be a hit for the new Mazda/Toyota plant.

You guys seen the new plant? The premise is HUGE.. is so big they can easily land a 737, to give you an idea.
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That's not wider rubber, it's taller rubber, by about 1.7". The first number is width, the second number is aspect ratio/height and third is obviously wheel diameter.
Look them up on TireRack like I did. The section width of a 215/45 (~8.4) is smaller than a 215/55 (~8.9). It just works out that way (could have been mounted in wider wheels...). TREAD width may be close, might not, depending on tire(s) used. I never mentioned anything about height as it's obvious it's a taller tire.

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The CX5 felt like a sports car in comparison. My wife really liked the CX5, but we probably needed something bigger, so went with the Ascent.
In my experience, Mazda is a very close second to Alfa Romeo to handling/feel/communication to driver in what a car is doing, no matter what vehicle.

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In my experience, Mazda is a very close second to Alfa Romeo to handling/feel/communication to driver in what a car is doing, no matter what vehicle.

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Funny that my only experience with either are rentals. Miata special edition rental in Maui (we drove the Hana Highway in it) and Alfa 156 in Germany - I wasn't a big fan mainly cause it smelled like I had a smoking Italian in the back seat. The engine sounded sweet even though it was just a 1.9L diesel, lol.

The Miata I wasn't a huge fan of, the engine isn't very special and the shifter was just ok. Handling was certainly great. Just not my kind of car I guess.
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I had a CX30 last week as a service loaner, it's really nice for the size and price category. Drives great, looks good, interior is primo for being cheap, decent amount of space for a couple. I'd say it should be a hit but so should a lot of their products and they just can't seem to close the deal. At least it's not unusably tiny for more than 2 humans like the CX3 was.
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