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09-17-2020, 12:46 PM | #351 | |
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Nissan doing it here isn't as much a big deal to me because I think this car is going to be what Z car fans have been asking for. Retro looks and gobs of turbo power with a ton of aftermarket support at an important price point. 90's level Z. And since we love Legos here, there will be a crap ton of totaled cars with TT engines to swap into current and previous Z cars.
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09-17-2020, 12:56 PM | #352 | |
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Dodge Charger & Challenger; super old reworked/modernized chassis & engine, sells like gangbusters. Call it a brawler, a bruiser or just a muscle cruiser It makes blower and V8 noises, and only gets a gallon to the mile, makes lots of tire smoke and always makes you smile. |
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09-17-2020, 01:04 PM | #353 |
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I think Chrysler/Dodge is setting up a record in terms of milking platforms.
The 2005 Charger/300 LX chassis has been revised only once in 2011 (mainly to improve crash worthiness and front suspension). The 2008 Chally LC chassis is a shortened LX and has never received the 2011 updates... But, then again, it's good enough to handle 800+ HP, why bother? EDIT: Sid03 beat me to the punch... |
09-17-2020, 01:10 PM | #354 | |
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09-17-2020, 01:54 PM | #355 |
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09-17-2020, 02:49 PM | #356 |
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I'll link it
So the 86 has a more 240z face than the 400z? |
09-17-2020, 02:49 PM | #357 |
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09-17-2020, 02:54 PM | #358 | |
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So Nissan is doing the same. Why is this debbie downer turf? We already knew this was going to be a parts bin special. Existing underpinnings, existing engine in their lineup, etc, etc. We knew this months ago. But why take a dump on it? You don't think they can use the existing chassis robot and make some changes that change the driving characteristics? Chassis can easily be modified without reinventing the wheel bro. Pooping on it before it's even here, before it has been driven with a bunch of ass-umptions is fools play. I'm going to give you a real wake up here. The BMW 1M was a parts bin special and that is widely regarded as a very special car. As scraps said, past Z were parts bin specials and ended up being f'in classics. You may end up 100% correct and it's a reskinned 370Z with a new motor from their Infiniti lineup. But you don't know that. Motor Trend doesn't know that. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows how it is going to drive, if it has snap oversteer etc. My Focus RS was a parts bin special too. They used an existing chassis (Focus), welded what is referred to as the Lions Foot in the rear hatch area, and that ended up being one of the best chassis I have ever driven and far and away the best I have ever owned. So that pretty much defeats your argument that this new 400Z is going to be the same exact chassis. That's bs. The engine in the RS was sourced from the Mustang EB, with different head, and Ford F'd that up but the rest of the car was absolutely spectacular on an old chassis. You and MT are throwing out the baby with the bath water without even bathing the baby first. Premature. |
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09-17-2020, 03:07 PM | #359 | |
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If they can't make it handle properly, I'm doubting it has much to do with fundamental limitations of the architecture. Hell, there are companies that make MacStrut cars actually handle now - there's really no excuse to get this wrong if you're going through the trouble of more advanced setups. |
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09-17-2020, 03:13 PM | #360 |
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I like my STI just the way it is with the EJ.. it has that nostalgic vibe I liked about modded JDM cars from the late 90's early 2000's.
The 370Z was not a bad car either, I kept mine for over 8yrs which says a lot. It just had flaws here and there (some major) which required modification. Nissan adding the TT off the Q50RS is a great idea, given they upgraded the diff mounts, fixed the clutch system, and done it 5 yrs ago. Most people, including me, have moved on from Nissan as they are now a pretty crappy company with very limited budget. |
09-17-2020, 03:16 PM | #361 |
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09-17-2020, 03:17 PM | #362 | |
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I agree. It's so stupid to assume it's going to handle the exact same. There are so many cars in automotive history with modified existing chassis that ended up being classics or just amazing to drive vehicles. I do not know anything about it will handle, nor does anyone else, but I think it's a fair bet they'll do something, anything, to change driving dynamics. People are acting like they are just going to drop a new motor in and everything is McSame. That's Engine changes everything, and this is a major automobile mfr. not a pair of brothers out in some Kentucky barn making an oval dirt track car. For F sakes. |
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09-17-2020, 03:53 PM | #363 |
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The Mortar Trend piece was clickbait. They equated reskinning a 370z to reskinning a Q60 rather than shouting to the treetops "600 lb lighter Z to get amazing engine and retro styling with a manual trans at bargain basement pricing!"
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09-17-2020, 05:02 PM | #364 |
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most car journalism is clickbait when it isn't straight-up paid promotion
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09-17-2020, 05:54 PM | #365 |
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Double wishbone suspension, hydraulic steering, stout 6MT, TTv6... I'm sold!
Also all modern Nissans can swallow a ton of tire too - I have 275/305's on my G37 without any modification to the wheelwells. And there will be enough aftermarket support for this car to address anything you can think of, from suspension, to tuning, to driveline, etc. |
09-17-2020, 06:27 PM | #366 |
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09-17-2020, 07:27 PM | #367 |
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Personally, I think it looks quite good and I don't really understand the issues people have with it. Owners are going to modify the aesthetics, so as a base car why isn't this good enough? I mean people throw bumper kits, flares, sideskirts, wings and spoilers at other cars all day without issue.
If I had money for a third car, I think I'd have one. Well depending on how it handles, anyway. |
09-17-2020, 09:08 PM | #368 |
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My thoughts after seeing more pics, video clips and such - while loving the overall profile/ shape of the car, the main gripe for me is still the looks of the front and rear ends - it's almost as if they're from 2 different cars. I appreciate what they were trying to do, but IMO it wasn't executed cleanly up front. At the least, reduce the grille opening by "1 row" from the top and add a few more styling details in the front bumper fascia reminiscent of the Z32 since the rear tail lights are evocative of that generation. May as well go all out blending those 70's and 90's bits a little more cohesively for this retro take on the Z. Please Nissan, don't call it "400Z". Stay truer to engine displacement like it was from the beginning. Also disappointed the car grew again compared to the 370Z as it was a step in the right direction from the 350Z. With all that being said, I do like this much more than the Supra and would take this any day even if it isn't as capable right out of the box.
All that's left is for Mazda to join the party with its own (inline) 6 cylinder entry. |
09-17-2020, 09:38 PM | #369 |
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What, no rotary?
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09-17-2020, 10:23 PM | #370 |
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If Mazda can address the major shortcomings of the rotary and stuff it in a capable MX-5-sized package, then sure.
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09-20-2020, 08:43 AM | #372 | |
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That said, an I6 from Mazda is only slightly more likely than a rotary (i.e., not gonna happen). |
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09-20-2020, 03:06 PM | #373 |
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No, Mazda has confirmed they are in the process of developing a new rear-wheel drive platform and an inline 6 engine. It's not a matter of likelihood, the I6 is pretty much happening. The automotive press suspects it is to replace the Mazda6 with a RWD sedan (probably as part of Mazda's upmarket push), but there's still rumors it will be shared with a sports car; Mazda also has a patent to have an rotary EV range extender which people theorize to power a new series-hybrid RX car.
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09-20-2020, 03:34 PM | #374 |
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Mazda should just do AWD on the new platform. RWD sports cars make sense, but RWD sedans are kinda dated imo especially on a brand new platform. Sedans, unless WRX/STI are pretty unexciting to own.
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09-20-2020, 04:03 PM | #375 | |
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My preference is for this car to be setup as another "ZX" rather than "Z", not out of a bias because I owned a 300ZX, because indeed the Z32 in particular was actually a bit of a contradiction on that front; everything about sitting in and driving a Z32 would lead you to believe it was a GT car (including the availability of a 2+2 and vert) except that the performance for it's time was so outstanding that it was on the top rope suplexing actual pure sports cars left and right in its early model years. No, I'd prefer a ZX because the problems mentioned in the above paragraph are much less important in a grand tourer than they are in a pure sports car. Unfortunately, the Z Proto does indeed at least appear it's leaning towards another pure sports/Z direction, so that's the curve it will be graded on. I hope that I'm wrong and they develop an excellent chassis with great steering feel, even though that's not historically been a Z-car strength (since the S30 anyway). At the least, having a modern interior and eliminating the Z34's NVH issues will make for a capable cruiser even if the car isn't superb at 10/10ths. |
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