Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-17-2021, 02:39 PM   #26
JP Chestnut
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 504432
Join Date: Jul 2019
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oct1285 View Post
You're right, lets go get some horse dewormer instead. And who cares if hospitals are at capacity, am I right? Who cares if people are dying even though their death was preventable, it's only a small portion of the population. We can always crank out more babies.
.
Who cares if a mod told you to shut up about Covid?

Clearly, not you.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
JP Chestnut is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 09-17-2021, 03:23 PM   #27
Genericuser1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 378822
Join Date: Jan 2014
Vehicle:
2021 Supra 3.0 Prem.
Nitro Yellow

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwf137 View Post
Fuel consumption only. Motorcycles are actually pretty terrible emitters of pollutants because they have fewer emissions control systems. Various studies showed they're worse than large pickup trucks overall.
Will be a bit different in the U.S. since Harley but if people buy modern motorcycles it would be similar.

Quote:
Financial benefits aside, the environmental impact of riding a motorcycle is easy to see, with the study finding that on average, the cost of commuting by motorcycle (£465) was nearly one-third of what it would cost to use a car (£1226). Part of this reduction in cost to the consumer is that motorcycles use less fuel than their four-wheeled counterparts. Less fuel into the engine means fewer fumes out, and OE found that the average powered-two wheeler will emit about 99 g CO2/km, much less than the 210 g CO2/km emitted by the average car (petrol and diesel). Interestingly, motorcycles up to 250 cc were found to emit on average 62 g CO2/km - around 62% of Europe's two-wheelers fall into this category.
https://www.visordown.com/news/indus...otorcycles-are

https://www.honda.co.uk/engineroom/b...o-5-explained/
Genericuser1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 03:42 PM   #28
BigElm
Always under your radar!
Moderator
 
Member#: 1568
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Sunshine State
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oct1285 View Post
You're right, lets go get some horse dewormer instead. And who cares if hospitals are at capacity, am I right? Who cares if people are dying even though their death was preventable, it's only a small portion of the population. We can always crank out more babies.

Also, GM still sucks, what's new.
You were warned, points were given. Respect the request otherwise don't post.
BigElm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 06:58 PM   #29
godfather2112
Papi Chulo
Moderator
 
Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:
... 2017 BMW M2
2017 F-150

Default

Here's how this will go down. First post talking about anything political or covid, it's a warning. 2nd time is 2 week time out. Don't like the rules, don't play the game.
godfather2112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 07:45 PM   #30
dwf137
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:
135i vert
fast leaf

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genericuser1 View Post
Will be a bit different in the U.S. since Harley but if people buy modern motorcycles it would be similar.



https://www.visordown.com/news/indus...otorcycles-are

https://www.honda.co.uk/engineroom/b...o-5-explained/
you're focusing on carbon emissions, which is tied to the quantity of fuel consumed. The larger problem with motorcycles is the OTHER emissions.

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gre...emissions.html
Quote:
the motorcycle used 28% less fuel than the comparable decade car and emitted 30% fewer carbon dioxide emissions, but it emitted 416% more hydrocarbons, 3,220% more oxides of nitrogen and 8,065% more carbon monoxide.
-
The Air Resources Board estimates there are 600,000 motorcycles in active use in California, which account for less than 1% of vehicle miles traveled in the state. Those 600,000 motorcycles, however, account for 13% of the state's hydrocarbon emissions from passenger vehicles, Swanton said.
I'm a rider myself and very much supportive of energy saving "green" technologies. I'm the leader for passive house consulting at my company right now. But I don't kid myself into thinking that my motorcycle is doing anything beneficial for the environment other than maybe using a little less gas.
dwf137 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 07:16 PM   #31
Pre
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 139693
Join Date: Feb 2007
Vehicle:
Dura ngo 95
horrorshow

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwf137 View Post
you're focusing on carbon emissions, which is tied to the quantity of fuel consumed. The larger problem with motorcycles is the OTHER emissions.

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gre...emissions.html


I'm a rider myself and very much supportive of energy saving "green" technologies. I'm the leader for passive house consulting at my company right now. But I don't kid myself into thinking that my motorcycle is doing anything beneficial for the environment other than maybe using a little less gas.
It’s a bit of a joke. Most people that I know, that ride, the miles per year on 2 wheels is grossly insignificant to 4 wheeler miles. The finger pointing is always laughable to me. What you do on this Earth, what you contribute, what you pollute is a gross sum game. I believe that the climate is changing, for the worse, and I believe mankind is largely to blame. It’s pretty easy to see CO2 levels pre industrial revolution and post up until now. People are always pointing to vehicle emissions. Meh. That’s merely a slice of the pie. Food waste is a bigger issue. 69% of Americans are fat or obese, a fat lard ass epidemic. They eat too much, and waste too much, and it’s so bad that 50% of food is wasted, especially by the restaurants and sack meal joints. That is a lot of food and animals grown, nutrient, feed, and water waste, not to mention all the feces. Ends up in a landfill. Modern vehicles are actually pretty damn good at scrubbing air. But they are under constant attack while other **** is barely talked about and nothing done about it.
Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2021, 01:42 PM   #32
Genericuser1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 378822
Join Date: Jan 2014
Vehicle:
2021 Supra 3.0 Prem.
Nitro Yellow

Default

I read the Mythbusters article from 10 years ago.

That's why I said modern motorcycles. The current crop of non U.S. made bikes must meet Euro-5 emissions which match that of Euro-4 emissions for passenger cars.

https://www.motorcycle.com/features/...torcycles.html
Genericuser1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2021, 01:47 PM   #33
dwf137
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:
135i vert
fast leaf

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genericuser1 View Post
I read the Mythbusters article from 10 years ago.

That's why I said modern motorcycles. The current crop of non U.S. made bikes must meet Euro-5 emissions which match that of Euro-4 emissions for passenger cars.

https://www.motorcycle.com/features/...torcycles.html
When I bought my first bike, there were CA versions and rest of the US versions with regards to emissions control systems. They were differentiating between different states, let alone countries. I'm seriously doubting that manufacturers are selling European standard bikes in the US. There is a lot of added cost to those components which will cut into profits. Overall engine architecture changes, sure, but there's a lot more going on with added systems too.
dwf137 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 06:03 AM   #34
mhoward1
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 9481
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: FFR Challenge #43
Vehicle:
1832 Steam Buggy
Wood

Default

GM just announced that they and LG have found the issue and will be replacing the battery in ALL Bolt and Bolt SUV models. No word on timelines.

Last edited by mhoward1; 09-21-2021 at 12:41 PM.
mhoward1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 11:37 AM   #35
dwf137
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:
135i vert
fast leaf

Default

Well, they said that they're going to replace batteries in all models, not replacing the cars entirely.

Could be a good time to pick one up, assuming they lost value with these recalls.
dwf137 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 11:41 AM   #36
RODSCALIP5
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 65170
Join Date: Jun 2004
Default

Are these the same batteries that Ford plans to use in the Lightning and the same ones used in the Mach-E?
RODSCALIP5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 12:02 PM   #37
White out
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 46277
Join Date: Oct 2003
Vehicle:
H1 Viper
LP640 FGT

Default

This could have all been avoided by not buying boring-ass cars.
White out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 12:08 PM   #38
dwf137
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:
135i vert
fast leaf

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by White out View Post
This could have all been avoided by not buying boring-ass cars.
sorry that not everyone has **** you money like you apparently do.
dwf137 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 12:42 PM   #39
mhoward1
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 9481
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: FFR Challenge #43
Vehicle:
1832 Steam Buggy
Wood

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwf137 View Post
Well, they said that they're going to replace batteries in all models, not replacing the cars entirely.

Could be a good time to pick one up, assuming they lost value with these recalls.
Yes, I have fixed my post. It's the Batteries they will be replacing
mhoward1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 12:43 PM   #40
mhoward1
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 9481
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: FFR Challenge #43
Vehicle:
1832 Steam Buggy
Wood

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RODSCALIP5 View Post
Are these the same batteries that Ford plans to use in the Lightning and the same ones used in the Mach-E?
According to Ford...no, but LG and their customers don't really publish battery IDs on the models they are used in.
mhoward1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 04:16 PM   #41
cbk57
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 438759
Join Date: Jan 2016
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Altoona, Pennsylvania
Vehicle:
2013 Impreza WRX
Charcoal Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhoward1 View Post
According to Ford...no, but LG and their customers don't really publish battery IDs on the models they are used in.
From what I am reading it is not the battery but how they are being installed. Depending on specifics of how the batteries are packaged, wired and cooled every manufacturer is subject to risks like this. Elon has made a few pertinent comments regarding batter packaging and cooling and that certain installations have a greater inherent risk of runaway heating and then fire.

Nissan has used LG batteries in the leaf for years with few or no issues. The Chevrolet problem was reported related to installation of the batteries in models where quality control was failing and battery tabs and some other material were not proper and the odd one was burning up.

My take is we could see other makers have problems like this over the next few years as they have scrambled to design these things to ketch up to Tesla. Right now I am most comfortable with Nissan and Tesla as they are most established in the market. Before recent events I was most confident in Chevrolet and Tesla as Nissan does not use liquid cooling in the batteries and Chevrolet supposedly does. I always thought Nissan good but thought Chevrolet and Tesla had better answers to cooling. Now I think Chevrolet does not have it together.

I have no confidence in Ford whatsoever this is the same company that knowingly sold every Focus and Fiesta with a knowingly defective dual clutch transmission.
cbk57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2021, 05:47 PM   #42
FaastLegacy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 11671
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by White out View Post
This could have all been avoided by not buying boring-ass cars.
GM screwed the pooch, but the Bolt was the first affordable electric car that had a decent range.
FaastLegacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.