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12-27-2009, 12:00 PM | #1 |
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In the market. Didn't know there were sooo many choices out there to make.
We first wanted a tandem, assuming either my niece or friends or what ever. Found out that if you get a 2 man, you need 2 men. Solo operation of a tandem is quite difficult. Sit in vs sit on. Although the first salesman we talked to was pretty comfortable with sit in, the rest we met thru the day seemed to push the Sit On versions. I agreed with them. I don't think I would want to be paddling from with in a bath tub. Longer vs Shorter. From what I gather the longer ones can travel faster and tend to track straighter, while the shorter ones can turn on a dime and maneuver anywhere. So OT... anything I missed or need to know before cashing in my Christmas present? For the record, I'm leaning towards: Ocean Kayak, The Frenzy.
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12-27-2009, 12:06 PM | #2 |
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You need to answer more questions.
1) What kind of water do you want to paddle on? (ocean, lakes, rivers) 2) What is your budget 3) Do you want to be able to increase your skills in kayaking, or just dink around? 4) Do you want to do more floating, or do you want to be actually going places? 5) What are you going to be doing from the kayak (fishing, cruising, surfing, etc) |
12-27-2009, 12:21 PM | #3 | |
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12-27-2009, 12:57 PM | #4 |
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12-27-2009, 01:09 PM | #5 |
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For me it will be all bay paddling. Very mild chop.
Up to ~$700.* For the most part I'll be using it for fun, exploring, exercising. I live right on the Assawoman bay, and I intend to roll thru all the little dock areas and check out houses, etc. Maybe into the bay to play on some sandbars... Cruising for me, mostly. *This is a house present from my mother to my brother and I who live together. She offered up to about $800 for a tandem for the 2 of us to alternate using. We found out tandems were out of the question. I found one in the mid $300's (8 foot, top, pretty basic) that seemed to fit my needs and thought of the idea of picking out 2 singles. I know my wants are completely different for my brother and I. He's gonna want to do some fishing from his, maybe taking it over to the ocean side and do some surfing, deep bay ****... who knows. |
12-27-2009, 01:57 PM | #6 |
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I think he'd have fun in the white X's, and I'll be looking to hit the red lines. We live in the red circle.
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paging WhiteH20....
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12-27-2009, 02:32 PM | #9 |
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Yeah... I don't see that happeneing. It's nice that he works days I work nights. even if we just get 1 nice kayak instead of 2, we'll both have time to spend on it. I'm so stoked!
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12-27-2009, 03:06 PM | #11 |
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12-27-2009, 03:07 PM | #12 |
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^^^ thanks for teh info
I am pretty much set on a "sit-on" model, at first I wanted a sit in but have changed my mind. I would like to use it 10-11 months of the year and a sit on kinda concerns me with the cold water, even though there are scupper plugs you can get I'd imagine you'd still get wet. There are three I am torn between and other then length and location of storage I don't see much difference; Besides farting around the back bays I plan to access a few fishing holes that are close by with it. I guess rod holders are an accessory item that can be installed in any of these. ok mom |
12-27-2009, 03:13 PM | #13 |
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Storage in front of you = easier to access while you're on the water, without getting IN the water. I'd go Maui, though it looks like there may be less leg room, and IIRC you are pretty tall boys...
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12-27-2009, 03:15 PM | #14 |
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We're both about 6'.
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12-27-2009, 03:18 PM | #15 |
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. This smart ass response is what I get for spending my time on yoar thread? I was merely reminding you of everything your budget needs to cover. Next time I'll know better. I seriously hope you go for a long swim in the ocean without a vest and water fills your lungs.
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12-27-2009, 03:24 PM | #17 | |
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I can't say I'm too worried about hauling anything that won't fit in a zip lock bag under my leg, such as a camera and cell phone. No way would I plan on doing over night stuff, but good looking out. Like I said, mostly I plan on doing some exploring sticking close to land. What, as far as paddles, should we be looking for as a proper fit? Length? Paddle size? Ect? How do we know whats right? |
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12-27-2009, 03:25 PM | #18 | |
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12-27-2009, 03:27 PM | #19 | |
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I hope to spend the same amount of time on mine, but fully prepared with foul weather gear. My biggest fear is water in the kayak. I'd much rather deal with splash on/roll off than sitting in cold water. I won't lie... that whole in the boat with a skirt getting flipped thing scares the hell out of me. |
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12-27-2009, 03:36 PM | #20 |
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I have a lot of time in/on both sit on top and sit inside kayaks. For what you are wanting, I would go sit inside no questions. Sit on top kayaks are better when you don't mind being more wet, you want to be able to get out and back in in the water (diving and swimming), and you will be in warm water all the time. My flatwater racing boats are sit on top (surfski) and they are a lot colder during the winter, and it is difficult to paddle even in flat water without getting wet.
I have paddled the Frenzy that you have listed in the first post, and I thought it was a very slow pig. Stable as a barge, but you don't need something stable enough to fly fish out of while standing up. If I were in your situation, I would try to find something that is about 14' long and 23" wide. Get a comfortable life jacket, spraydeck, and a good paddle. You don't have to spring for a carbon paddle, but the lighter paddles make kayaking a lot more fun. The best advise that I can give you is to go find a store that will let you try a lot of different kinds of kayaks, and try as many as you can. Even try the long fast expensive ones just to see what is all out there and what is available. Once you paddle at least 5 boats, then you will have a better idea of what fits you and what feels best for you. Also try to find a group of kayakers to tag along with to get some good ideas from. I always try to go paddling with different groups to get a broad range of knowledge from different groups. Also, if one of them has a boat that looks like fun, ask if you can take it for a quick paddle. Most paddlers love to swap boats around to get a feel for what is out there. For the budget you are looking to stay with, I would certainly try to find a used boat. All the boats that are in the $700ish range suck ass. They will be very heavy, slow, and not a lot of fun to paddle. This is a sad thing about kayaking that I have seen lately, is that people think kayaking looks like fun, but they don't want to spend a lot of money to get into it. They go out and get an inexpensive boat that isn't fun to paddle, and they think kayaking isn't fun because they don't have good gear. The good news is that places like Craigslist have lots of fairly nice used kayaks for good prices. Something like: http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/1508255211.html Last edited by WhiteH2O; 12-27-2009 at 03:50 PM. |
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The salespeople we talked to ALL suggested the sit on because they are easier to manuever whereas the sit-in version you must work on finding you balance and the hassle of getting water in it. Thanks for the info |
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I really don't like the sit on top boats for this type of paddling.
Anyone that says that a sit on top kayak is more maneuverable is completely oversimplifying things. Sit on top kayaks are generally shorter and wider, two things that make it a lot easier to turn, but two things that make a kayak slower, and much more stable than you need it to be. A sit in kayak that is around 14' long and 23-24" will be a good combination of speed and maneuverability. A kayak being sit in or sit on doesn't change anything as far as speed and maneuverability are concerned, it is just that the sit on top boats are made for people who don't paddle much, aren't going to go more than a mile or two (in general) and are very afraid of tipping over. My everyday kayak is 17" wide and I have never fallen out of it, you aren't oing to fall out of a 24" wide kayak. Also, maneuverability is somewhat important, but don't underestimate speed. If you are going to be paddling around the large boat docks 100% of the time, I wouldn't worry about speed, but those short and wide boats are very very slow, and that gets frustrating really fast. Even a 2" difference in beam makes a big difference in speed. Again, I would say to go paddle a lot of different kayaks to see what you like. Don't go paddle one for 3-4 minutes, take it out for long enough that you get a good feel for it. If you paddle in circles next to the dock, you are not going to get the feel of what it is like in a straight line, so make sure you go for a paddle that resembles what you will be doing on a standard paddle once you get it. |
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edit: I agree you should look for a used boat. For the same price as a new one, you can find much better lightly-used ones.
Yes, that is scary if you are not used to it. You need to go out with a partner and practice rolling over, pulling the skirt loose, and swimming out. Then learn to roll the kayak back up rather than bailing out. |
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