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Old 08-06-2020, 09:10 AM   #1
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Default Yamaha shows off ‘extremely compact’ electric motors

Yamaha shows off ‘extremely compact’ electric motors developed for electric motorcycles, cars

https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/yamah...orcycles-cars/

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Yamaha has been hard at work developing new electric motors and drive units sized for motorcycles and larger vehicles.

The development began in Yamaha’s motorcycle division, but has apparently grown to include larger motors capable of powering full-sized electric cars.

As part of a new video, Yamaha first shows off a 35kW unit that was developed for electric motorcycles.

In the video (embedded below), Yamaha demonstrates a pair of the 150kW Yamaha electric motors powering a rear-wheel drive electric car.



If they sell these independently and at a reasonable price, I can see a lot of retrofits.
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Yamaha builds quality stuff so I can see this doing exponentially well.

EV powered UTV's would be money. Get rid of the belt driven garbage (except for yamaha and Honda's here driven.)

If you could get a UTV with 200 miles per charge and all that fun torque, it would absolutely crush and be so damn fun.
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Old 08-06-2020, 10:20 AM   #3
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Old 08-06-2020, 10:33 AM   #4
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The world is gradually shifting and I agree with retrofitting. In about 20 years I can dump my 4.0 litter in my little Ranger and shift to a Solid State battery with a light weight motor. I can see me upgrading my mower to electric in about 5 years.. Darn honda motor is a beast.

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Old 08-06-2020, 12:33 PM   #5
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Yamaha builds quality stuff so I can see this doing exponentially well.

EV powered UTV’s would be money. Get rid of the belt driven garbage (except for yamaha and Honda’s here driven.)

If you could get a UTV with 200 miles per charge and all that fun torque, it would absolutely crush and be so damn fun.
200 mile range?

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200 mile range?

What’s wrong with a 200 mile range UTV? Hell, make it 100 mile range for all I care.
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Old 08-06-2020, 01:45 PM   #7
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What’s wrong with a 200 mile range UTV? Hell, make it 100 mile range for all I care.
I will say that a UTV has a lot more space for batteries with good placement than a Motorcycle.
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I will say that a UTV has a lot more space for batteries with good placement than a Motorcycle.
The new sport UTV’s are also getting pretty large so there could possibly be plenty of room for batteries. Battery size will also decrease over time so it’s not exactly a far stretch.
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What’s wrong with a 200 mile range UTV? Hell, make it 100 mile range for all I care.
It’s engineering for a small percent of potential owners. 50 mile range is more than enough. Majority of these will sit in the garage/barn and be driven around the property. The offroad guys will come eventually, but they won’t be early adopters, if at all.

But farmers and people with land? Oh yeah. My Grandmother would probably have loved one around the farm since the closest gas station was a 45 min drive

We’ll get there eventually, but it’s additional cost and complexity for a “new” drivetrain. 50 miles doesn’t seem like much, but when you’re riding under 10 miles a day...
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range kills an electric motorcycle for me.

maybe a city-going scooter... hell, an electric grom with 50 mile range would probably be a blast... but it'd be so expensive that I'd never be interested.

But I'm all for companies pushing the boundaries. Yami is a great manufacturer and I wouldn't hesitate to buy an EV that was powered by one of their motors.
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range kills an electric motorcycle for me.

maybe a city-going scooter... hell, an electric grom with 50 mile range would probably be a blast... but it'd be so expensive that I'd never be interested.

But I'm all for companies pushing the boundaries. Yami is a great manufacturer and I wouldn't hesitate to buy an EV that was powered by one of their motors.
Pretty close
https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2019/04/04/review-csc-city-slicker-electric-motorcycle/amp/
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It’s engineering for a small percent of potential owners. 50 mile range is more than enough. Majority of these will sit in the garage/barn and be driven around the property. The offroad guys will come eventually, but they won’t be early adopters, if at all.

But farmers and people with land? Oh yeah. My Grandmother would probably have loved one around the farm since the closest gas station was a 45 min drive

We’ll get there eventually, but it’s additional cost and complexity for a “new” drivetrain. 50 miles doesn’t seem like much, but when you’re riding under 10 miles a day...
I think for the RZR, Can-Am, Yamaha and Kawasaki sport UTV group, they would welcome this. Hell, most sport UTV are belt driven. Step on pedal and thats it. If it had the same range as current UTV's, the UTV sport crowd would be all over it.

Is the UTV crowd small in comparison to cars? Sure. But UTV's have almost entirely replaced 4 wheelers and most of the dealerships are out or near out on inventory. Go look at the price for a RZR turbo or Teryx Kawasaki. Starting at $20k.

That my friend is a damn car and high margin. EV would do wonders for those people.
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Electric motors can operate at lower wattage output just as ice engines can, the easier you drive, the more range you can squeeze out. There is a limit of course, but most people push them to their limits and you're not getting a lot of range doing 3 second 0-60 from every stop light, lol. Having a 150kw capacity doesn't mean you have to use it all. There is also regen if you have the peripherals to support it. The trick is to use the lightest and most efficient materials for the motors, which is pricey. I'm wondering if Panasonic is making moves in this market, they are extremely proficient in the field of efficient electric motors. Or maybe Panasonic/Matsu****a is actually making the Yamaha motors....



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top speed of 46 mph. That's a scooter, just styled like a motorcycle.

Zero has much more capable motorcycles, but still, range and recharge time just don't work for me... too many miles for me to get to fun to drive roads.
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I love Yamaha stuff.

OT: looks like a Lotus they're testing in.........that could be fun.
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Electric motors can operate at lower wattage output just as ice engines can, the easier you drive, the more range you can squeeze out. There is a limit of course, but most people push them to their limits and you're not getting a lot of range doing 3 second 0-60 from every stop light, lol. Having a 150kw capacity doesn't mean you have to use it all. There is also regen if you have the peripherals to support it. The trick is to use the lightest and most efficient materials for the motors, which is pricey. I'm wondering if Panasonic is making moves in this market, they are extremely proficient in the field of efficient electric motors. Or maybe Panasonic/Matsu****a is actually making the Yamaha motors....



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I see Panasonic going to battery route over motors. They have significant r&d in battery tech.
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I love Yamaha stuff.

OT: looks like a Lotus they're testing in.........that could be fun.
I'm assuming it's related to this:

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/abou...pt/sportsride/
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What’s wrong with a 200 mile range UTV? Hell, make it 100 mile range for all I care.
I used to go through 10 gallons of gas for my YZ 250 every weekend when I was a kid. Between 600 and 800 miles every weekend. I had access to a 140 mile trail system and about 100 miles of dirt road to ride on.

A 200 mile range would have lasted me until lunch on Saturdays. Maybe a bit longer if I stayed off the dirt roads.

I rode my bike a lot, my only entertainment options were the Dirtbike, Nintendo, or wandering around the woods blasting random **** with my .22.
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I used to go through 10 gallons of gas for my YZ 250 every weekend when I was a kid. Between 600 and 800 miles every weekend. I had access to a 140 mile trail system and about 100 miles of dirt road to ride on.

A 200 mile range would have lasted me until lunch on Saturdays. Maybe a bit longer if I stayed off the dirt roads.

I rode my bike a lot, my only entertainment options were the Dirtbike, Nintendo, or wandering around the woods blasting random **** with my .22.
Same. Rode my 125 and 250cc bike a ton on the weekends when I was a kid. Last weekend did about 250 miles in the buggy in just a day. The trails out here are insanely long and people go out ripping for 4-7 hours a day. 50 miles won’t get you ****
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Same. Rode my 125 and 250cc bike a ton on the weekends when I was a kid. Last weekend did about 250 miles in the buggy in just a day. The trails out here are insanely long and people go out ripping for 4-7 hours a day. 50 miles won't get you ****
No it won't. And driving an EV everyday for 6.5 years, you quickly realize, if you hammer on the throttle, you aren't going to get the quoted range either, not by a long shot I've ridden every EV bike made by Zero so far, an my dealer always wants feedback. I told him it'd get me out to my twisties, and the first section, then it'd be DOA and have to be towed some where. I rode one of my sportbikes yesterday and hit the reserve fuel indication at 105.2 miles.
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Yamaha should also use their tuning expertise to make this thing sound good (instead of dead silence or overgrown RC car gear/motor whine) while they're at it IMO. There must be a way.
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