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04-18-2022, 06:57 PM | #1 |
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Cobb green speed update
Hey guys,
today seems like a bad day. A couple of my fellow wrx owners just shared this with me: https://www.cobbtuning.com/green-spe...te-march-2022/ it looks like cobb is disabling tuning for TGV deletes, catless setups, speed density, etc. from their accessport software. What exactly does this mean for us with future build plans? My hawkeye STi is currently on a stage 2 Etune map, but I was planning on doing more upgrades and going stage 3 in the near future, and possibly even a bigger turbo / built motor down the road, but I don't know how this is really going to affect my plans to do so. I still havent finished reading the full article, but from the talk of my friends it seems as though tuners will no longer be able to utilize the AP software to do dynotuning and e-tuning which really sucks. I absolutely love these cars, and now Im really wishing I was born like 10 years earlier Let me know what your thoughts on this are, all questions are welcome I just wanted to shed some light on this topic, because I started panicking and couldn't find any current threads on it, as it seems like this was just announced by cobb the other day.
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04-18-2022, 07:19 PM | #2 |
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If you have any emission related stuff turned off /removed your screwed. I was planning to put my vf48 in in a couple months but now im screwed. I dont have the secondary air pump in my swap and have no way to install it. Im gonna have to get a standalone now
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04-18-2022, 07:23 PM | #3 |
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Well I do already have a custom tune downloaded on the car. But lets say If I wanted to get TGV deletes in the next month or so, my E-tuner wont be able to send me a new custom map with the necessary revisions?
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04-18-2022, 07:36 PM | #4 |
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Correct. And it also sounds like all maps previously installed may be affected as well if you try to update the accessport.
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04-18-2022, 07:38 PM | #5 |
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Absolutely do not update your AP if you have any custom tunes.
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04-18-2022, 07:51 PM | #6 |
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Okay noted. Really appreciate the replies guys. I wonder what this is going to mean for big tuners in the community like Baderbuilt. They really out here ruining peoples careers and livelihood. This **** sucks.
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04-18-2022, 07:57 PM | #7 |
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Update as of today: https://www.cobbtuning.com/green-spe...te-april-2022/. Sheesh looks like if you are running flex fuel or any restricted parts you are screwed as they are removing the ability for tuners to adjust needed perimeters even to support existing builds. Unless i'm missing something?
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04-18-2022, 08:19 PM | #8 |
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Yep, as much as I love subarus it might be time to keep my car how it is and switch to a new platform. Big RIP to all the Subi modders out there
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04-18-2022, 08:56 PM | #9 |
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04-18-2022, 09:06 PM | #10 |
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How does stand alone tuning work? Would you have to remove the ECU from the engine? I am not super familiar with tuning in general I guess.
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04-18-2022, 09:07 PM | #11 |
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Can anybody confirm or deny that tuners have a grace period to complete appointments with the old software capabilities?
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04-18-2022, 10:45 PM | #12 |
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It’s a 14 day to update or get locked kind of deal- so they have 14 days.
I wasn’t planning anything crazy anyways but wanted a vf48HF and a few other things. It’s going to suck because now I’ll have to keep the stock downpipe to avoid a CEL and pass emissions…. |
04-18-2022, 10:57 PM | #13 |
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Double post
Last edited by simpleJ; 04-19-2022 at 08:39 AM. |
04-19-2022, 01:55 AM | #14 |
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Speed density should not be affected on Subaru. The real problem here is the ability to tune FlexFuel as it uses an emissions input and you have to disable the codes for that input. I believe they may be working on a CANbus option, but I can't say for sure. Older cars (pre-2008) won't benefit from that option.
For the most part, TGV's aren't really worth removing for most people anyway and running a proper cat shouldn't be a concern either. So basically, we're back to making multiple maps for people wanting to run different ethanol contents. A proper race car should be on a stand alone anyway. To answer the question above on this, yes, it is an ECU replacement. The AccessTuner Race software which reached back for server authentication will cease to work in 14 days, I believe, which makes this seem planned and you lost your money. Older versions that did not do this, will still work. |
04-19-2022, 01:55 AM | #15 |
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Double post for some reason...
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04-19-2022, 08:39 AM | #16 | |
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Hopefully GESI cats work as advertised. |
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04-19-2022, 10:03 AM | #17 |
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Great info but what's this got to do with my giant spoiler, front lip, and led lights? Oh wait... nothing. I was worried for a sec.
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04-19-2022, 10:09 AM | #18 |
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So of course this timing could not be any worse.. This news just came out and my car just threw a COBB1 low voltage to ethanol sensor code last night. I'm hoping to clean the sensor with maf cleaner tonight and hoping the code clears because there may have been moisture but I have dealt with the sensor failing once before. However, before I was able to send a datalog to COBB and they sent me a new sensor. Now that they are discontinuing their flex fuel stuff does that mean that I won't be able to get a new sensor anymore? If not are there any other alternatives to that sensor that wouldn't require a tune change? Hoping it's not needed but could very well be
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04-19-2022, 10:18 AM | #19 | |
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Maybe they can figure out how to use the AP to run their underglow lights or to control the defogger in thier subiespeed headlights. |
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04-19-2022, 11:14 AM | #20 | |
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04-19-2022, 11:22 AM | #21 |
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Big Tuner? Bader? You ****ing youtube snowflakes haven't got a clue.
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04-19-2022, 11:42 AM | #22 |
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Glad ive kept my V2!! Never felt the need to go to a V3 or flex fuel...these STI's can easily make more power than can ever be fully utilized on the street without ever needing e85 injectors ,fuel pumps, sensors wiring etc etc etc. I can still make well over 400 horsepower at the crank without it...100 horsepower over stock is all you need for a very fast (sub 4 sec. 0-60) reliable ej257 STI..so fun!
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04-19-2022, 11:47 AM | #23 |
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Good point. Probably no need to get too antsy just yet. Still annoying timing for my sensor to throw the code.
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04-19-2022, 11:50 AM | #24 | |
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my FF is going on 4 years now and still working. The only hard part is finding the module but if the actual sensor goes bad, at least its just a GM Continental sensor. |
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04-19-2022, 11:51 AM | #25 |
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