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Old 05-31-2022, 01:37 PM   #6951
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It's easier to quantify who the WRX is for rather than who it's not for. It's a car for die hard Subaru fans. It's not for everyone else.
What other new performance value option exists with 6MT and AWD? I would've cross-shopped, but no other manu plays in this space today. Golf R is materially more costly and basically unavailable.
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Old 05-31-2022, 01:46 PM   #6952
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The test data is interesting. The 5-60 of 6.7s is exactly 0.5s slower than the Accord Sport 2.0 with a manual
Indeed. C&D measured VB at 0.4s faster 5-60 than VA (7.1), including the extra 2-3 shift. That is real-world improvement.

That the 2.0 Accord Sport is competitive is more a statement on it than the WRX, IMO.
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Old 05-31-2022, 02:10 PM   #6953
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Hey mods, will there be a FB 2.4L turbo technical section? Conversations like this are a bummer. NASIOC used to be useful, but for the '22 it's nearly universal trolling and bashing here in N&R.

Yes, 2.4L Tech Group please.
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Old 05-31-2022, 02:20 PM   #6954
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Default Comparing '21 VA and '22 VB C&D Test Results

C&D test results comparing '21 VA and '22 VB, respectively:
  • 60 mph: 5.2, 5.5 sec
  • 130 mph: 29.9, 26.4 sec
  • 5-60 mph: 7.1, 6.7 sec
  • top gear, 30-50 mph: 12.2, 10.3 sec
  • top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.5, 7.7 sec
  • 1/4 mile, 14.0@97, 13.9@101
  • 70-0 mph: 158, 153 ft
  • 100-0 mph: 325, 317 ft
  • 300 ft skidpad: 0.90, 0,95g
Progress. A redline bump would be welcomed, but like I've maintained it's a great drive.

https://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/wrx-2021
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
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Old 05-31-2022, 02:34 PM   #6955
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What other new performance value option exists with 6MT and AWD? I would've cross-shopped, but no other manu plays in this space today. Golf R is materially more costly and basically unavailable.
GR Corolla as well but that as with the Golf R is a more performance focused car. I would argue that the WRX is less of a performance car and more inline with the Mazda 3 AWD where it's a sporty version of the basic car as both of these cars do without performance brakes, suspension, and their ultimate performance levels are pretty low.
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Old 05-31-2022, 02:52 PM   #6956
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GR Corolla as well but that as with the Golf R is a more performance focused car. I would argue that the WRX is less of a performance car and more inline with the Mazda 3 AWD where it's a sporty version of the basic car as both of these cars do without performance brakes, suspension, and their ultimate performance levels are pretty low.
GR Corolla doesn't exist yet and pricing will likely be materially higher than WRX, particularly the circuit edition. No manual with the Mazda, and though I didn't drive one (because no MT), I would wager the WRX is a better enthusiast car.
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:00 PM   #6957
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Pm nighthawksti. He knows about the tech sections.
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:12 PM   #6958
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Hey mods, is there a PM function on this website I could use to directly contact you with any questions I may have about the forums? Or can I ask you a question in a thread in hopes that you may see it while also airing my grievances about the state of N&R.
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:24 PM   #6959
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GR Corolla doesn't exist yet and pricing will likely be materially higher than WRX, particularly the circuit edition.
Compared to what you paid for a limited 2022 WRX? I don’t think so and either way you don’t know that. I think the Core GR Corolla with no front and rear LSD’s, you know like your car, won’t be too much difference in price. The main difference on the GR Corolla will be that one it’s a hatch, and two it has selectable drive modes to change how much power the rear half shafts get.

A circuit edition is not a direct comparison to the point it’s stupid to make it.
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:25 PM   #6960
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GR Corolla doesn't exist yet and pricing will likely be materially higher than WRX, particularly the circuit edition. No manual with the Mazda, and though I didn't drive one (because no MT), I would wager the WRX is a better enthusiast car.
I would wager that neither are enthusiast cars. I hate to break it to you but enthusiast cars don't have CUV ground clearance, CUV black plastic cladding, or 6000 RPM redlines.
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:42 PM   #6961
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Compared to what you paid for a limited 2022 WRX? I don’t think so and either way you don’t know that. I think the Core GR Corolla with no front and rear LSD’s, you know like your car, won’t be too much difference in price. The main difference on the GR Corolla will be that one it’s a hatch, and two it has selectable drive modes to change how much power the rear half shafts get.

A circuit edition is not a direct comparison to the point it’s stupid to make it.
GRC also has a Performance Package option, which is sorely missing from the WRX. At this point if the WRX came with painted bits, a revised rear bumper, and a Performance Package that included BBK and LSDs, sedan be damned, I'd glance at it. Still hate that tablet though.
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:29 PM   #6962
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I would wager that neither are enthusiast cars. I hate to break it to you but enthusiast cars don't have CUV ground clearance, CUV black plastic cladding, or 6000 RPM redlines.
half an inch. omg it's gonna tip over!!!
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:40 PM   #6963
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Compared to what you paid for a limited 2022 WRX? I don’t think so and either way you don’t know that. I think the Core GR Corolla with no front and rear LSD’s, you know like your car, won’t be too much difference in price. The main difference on the GR Corolla will be that one it’s a hatch, and two it has selectable drive modes to change how much power the rear half shafts get.

A circuit edition is not a direct comparison to the point it’s stupid to make it.
My primary point was that effectively no other new performance value option exists with 6MT and AWD, including Golf R and GRC.

HeavyD mentioned GRC as a more "performance focused" WRX alternative like the Golf R. Setting aside the fact that GRC doesn't exist today, the most "performance focused" and Golf R-like variant IS the circuit edition withe diffs.
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Old 05-31-2022, 11:22 PM   #6964
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C&D test results comparing '21 VA and '22 VB, respectively:
  • 60 mph: 5.2, 5.5 sec
  • 130 mph: 29.9, 26.4 sec
  • 5-60 mph: 7.1, 6.7 sec
  • top gear, 30-50 mph: 12.2, 10.3 sec
  • top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.5, 7.7 sec
  • 1/4 mile, 14.0@97, 13.9@101
  • 70-0 mph: 158, 153 ft
  • 100-0 mph: 325, 317 ft
  • 300 ft skidpad: 0.90, 0,95g
Progress. A redline bump would be welcomed, but like I've maintained it's a great drive.

https://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/wrx-2021
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

don't forget, the 2.4 is only putting out 12-13 lbs if boost in the stock ecu tune and the 2.0' WRX's can hit 21 lbs bone stock. The 2.4 has WAY more potential to be quite a bit faster with just a tune getting the boost up
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Old 06-01-2022, 06:19 AM   #6965
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Ugh.. boost is a measure of how much pressure is building up behind the valves. It's not a measure of volumetric efficiency.. stop trying to compare two engines unless you've got boost maps and head flow data.

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Indeed. C&D measured VB at 0.4s faster 5-60 than VA (7.1), including the extra 2-3 shift. That is real-world improvement.

That the 2.0 Accord Sport is competitive is more a statement on it than the WRX, IMO.
A slow issue of a formerly competitively quick car is now as fast as family sedan that isn't even trying for 12% less money.

Congrats on your new car. Go chat with your fellow '22 owner best buds in General about it. I totally get liking the black sheep of the WRX family.. I wrote the FAQ on the 2008.. and it's still my favorite Subaru that I've driven (and I've owned & driven a lot of them). Cars are often more than their spec sheet, but this is magazine racing central, and the WRX isn't competitive here.
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Old 06-01-2022, 08:36 AM   #6966
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Ugh.. boost is a measure of how much pressure is building up ahead of the valves.
A small correction... although I think most people know what you're getting at.

I doubt too many people (even here on an "enthusiats'" forum) have ever looked at a compressor map, much less understand it. If people truly understood just how narrow the efficiency range of turbomachinery was, there would be far fewer questions/comments around lag vs midrange power vs top end chuff. There is absolutely zero surprise that matching a turbocharging unit to provide more low and mid-range, is going to result in drop off at the higher end...
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Old 06-01-2022, 10:50 AM   #6967
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half an inch. omg it's gonna tip over!!!
It was already too high.

You do not make a performance car better by raising it up.

What good does having a flat four engine in the chassis that you have bragged about keeping the COG low due to the boxer only to raise the damn thing up.

This car is is like a middle movie of a trilogy. It is an afterthought, thrown together to get us to something better later.
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:31 PM   #6968
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The '22 has a lower COG with slightly improved ground clearance. How is that a bad thing?
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:53 PM   #6969
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Think how much lower CoG could've been had the WRX been... lower.
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:55 PM   #6970
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The '22 has a lower COG with slightly improved ground clearance. How is that a bad thing?

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...l-new-2022-wrx
That's cut and paste from every new car release.

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That fluff is for people that are oblivious to the fact that the SPT is not a new transmission and just their corporate TR690 CVT with different programming. Every single special performance version of any car comes with lowered ground clearance for the reason that's because it leads to improve handling. I have no doubt that this probably rides better than previous generations but it's not desirable for ultimate handling nor does it look visually pleasing to the eye and if ride comfort is high on your priorities then you shouldn't be looking at performance cars.

Contrary to some here, I actually don't hate this car. I honestly think it's going to be great for the Subaru fan that thinks the Crosstrek or Impreza is dog slow as it blends in with all the CUV's out there and will go about its business without garnering attention to and from work and the grocery store. I just dislike that they called it a WRX as this car has a similar issue to the new Integra in that it's strayed too far from what the name once stood for. It would have been better as an Impreza Sport or something like that as then it would be much easier to accept and less insulting to enthusiasts that can see when an automaker is pulling the wool over their eyes.
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:05 PM   #6971
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It was already too high.

You do not make a performance car better by raising it up.

What good does having a flat four engine in the chassis that you have bragged about keeping the COG low due to the boxer only to raise the damn thing up.

This car is is like a middle movie of a trilogy. It is an afterthought, thrown together to get us to something better later.
them's fighting words.

Star Wars, ESB is the best Star Wars movie.
many say that the Dark Knight was the best of that series.
Austin Powers: the spy who shagged me was peak Austin Powers.
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:32 PM   #6972
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Ground clearance on the '22 WRX is lower than all STIs but the VA. It's also lower than the Elantra N which everyone seems to think handles exceptionally well. It's also wider than prior gens.

Isn't how the thing actually handles more important to folks here? It's been shared before, but the guys at Flatirons Tuning and Racecomp Engineering had some valid criticisms but plenty of good things to say on handling in this loooooong video (i.e., it was remarkably like the new BRZ).

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The '22 has a lower COG with slightly improved ground clearance. How is that a bad thing?

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...l-new-2022-wrx
also has a wider track, its a far superior car in every way than the VA version and much better looking as well with simple paint matching o
f the flares and rear bumper.
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:41 PM   #6974
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Think how much lower CoG could've been had the WRX been... lower.
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A small correction... although I think most people know what you're getting at.

I doubt too many people (even here on an "enthusiats'" forum) have ever looked at a compressor map, much less understand it. If people truly understood just how narrow the efficiency range of turbomachinery was, there would be far fewer questions/comments around lag vs midrange power vs top end chuff. There is absolutely zero surprise that matching a turbocharging unit to provide more low and mid-range, is going to result in drop off at the higher end...
the turbo on the 2.4 undoubtedly has more flow, and the engine itself obviously as well, there is little doubt that (without looking at a compressor mapping),
there will be a good amount of power unleashed with more boost and a bigger downpipe with this engine over what the 2.0 could do. The 2.4 in the WRX also has a lot stronger rotating assembly in the Block than the 2.0 does , so it won't be "boost limited" at the expense of connecting rod strength like the 2.0 is.

Regardless the 2.4 WRX is going to continue the tradition of appearance and engine modding that has made the wrx cars so iconic, and it will probably do it better than any WRX prior.
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