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10-30-2013, 03:45 PM | #51 | |
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10-30-2013, 04:12 PM | #52 |
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I don't know what was going on in that video, but I don't believe that time for a second. That would be pretty close to 600WHP to do a time like that. I wouldn't expect to be more than about mid-4's with a DOM 1.5XTR, even with a single gear pull. I didn't actually time that yet, so maybe his calculation was just off or it was in km/h or something, haha.
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10-30-2013, 04:59 PM | #53 | |
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10-30-2013, 10:58 PM | #54 |
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If it was possible to run a 3.6 sec. 50-100 with a Dom 1.5 in a full weight car then we'd all be running that turbo. Maybe in a 1600-1800 lb. car!
I logged a 4.19 sec. 50-100 pull with my Dom. 3.5 at 25 psi using just 3rd gear, 3900-7600 rpm. |
10-30-2013, 11:42 PM | #55 |
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11-01-2013, 01:48 AM | #56 | |
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11-01-2013, 01:52 AM | #57 |
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I'm sure you used a catalog, but seemingly missed most of the borg warners that people are actually putting on cars, the s200-s400 line and all their varients should not be forgotten.
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11-01-2013, 03:53 AM | #58 |
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I'm sure you mean well but I think you're mistaken here. We did stop at the S366/ 9180. So we did omit the S400's but they aren't what you'd call the more popular BW turbos.
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11-01-2013, 04:11 AM | #59 | |
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i know the EFR line picked up on 4 digit convention, but searching the 2013 catalog for "9180" only yields EFR turbos... Ie. I have Borg Warner turbo part number 317246, which does not cross reference the 7670 listed in table. s256 (page 36 in the .pdf catalog) Comp. Inducer 56mm Turbine Inducer 74mm Turbine Exducer 65mm Compressor flow 58 lb/min |
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11-01-2013, 06:10 AM | #60 |
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Manitou, you know when you look at the blouch figures, it makes you wonder two things. Either the turbo's are inefficient or terribly under-rated.
TO the general community and if you dont see a lot of results on them, you think inefficient. |
11-02-2013, 12:04 AM | #61 |
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I don't plan on trying to make this an all encompassing list. That begins to defeat the purpose (ie. easy to read). If there are enough requests for a certain turbo, then I will add it, but if it's just a one off, then it's not too hard to look up the specs yourself and compare them to the common turbo's in the table.
I agree that Blouch's ratings seem very conservative. That may be on purpose. I don't think they have quite the same level of testing equipment available as the bigger companies. Without a flow map, I would assume those max flow ratings are just estimates. From what I've seen, the Blouch turbo's do quite favorably compared to the flow ratings. Here's a new turbo I am going to be trying out. It is a TD06SL2 with GTX3071 compressor. I may add it to the list if the results are good and it becomes more popular. The specs look pretty good. Something similar to a Dom 2.5XTR or Garret GTX3071R, but with the journal bearing center section to save cost. Time will tell if the trade off is worth it. |
11-02-2013, 12:19 AM | #62 |
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I think it's partially about the Subaru stock location housings holding back the flow rating and partially that they are underrated. I really feel the Blouch turbos are underrated, I once asked Mike Malin about compressor maps and they have them but are not willing to make them public. They are also not far from the ratings of the FP SL turbos.
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11-02-2013, 12:23 AM | #63 |
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It seem ridiculous if they have compressor maps not to release them. I hope that's not true.
Most of the other turbo's max flow ratings are based on the compressor maps so they wouldn't account for any housing limitations. |
11-02-2013, 07:46 AM | #64 |
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It more seems like marketing and nothing else to make you wonder. I have only played around the Dom 1.5 and there flow max works well on pump gas. Not sure on race gas. Let me show you something. I hope it doesnt through off this forum nor I am trying to sell my service.
I have done a tremendous amount of work on the JDM 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX S-GT 2.0 5MT. Please review here for more info http://www.xtremeracingtuning.com/fo...php?f=40&t=468 CF=1. I dont deal with DynoJet figures exaggerated figures. In tuning a few other of this same car, it is restricted to 240-250whp. The IHI VF47 TwinScroll turbo seems similar to the compressor map below: Below is the power @ 20psi on pump gas mix with VP RallyMax. VP109 is not up to marks. RallyMax cost more than even Q16 or C16. All types of tuning, we could not get pass the max power. Below is the same car. We were never expecting this amount of power increase. Completely blows you away. Is Blouch like this???? No real figures can be found. The tq was a little lower because of a different road we use which was slightly up hill and not as flat as the road use with mix gas. Below is another 100% stock S-GT with just a boost controller and set to 15psi. Stock boost is 12psi. It just makes me wonder on Blouch. It really doesn't make sense to their behaviour. The turbos are not like the precision or BW, so dont see why all the secrecy and yet limit results out there. I have a customer who had a FP and he just dont believe Blouch can do better than FP and feel the subaru community just wanna sell the Blouch. Its time Blouch show more results or state real work results. Or maybe Blouch postings are on pump gas, but shines more on Race gas?!?!?!?!? Last edited by west_minist; 11-03-2013 at 05:43 AM. |
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Its one of the reason I kind of disregard blouch when considering turbos. Especially now that steam speed says they can build the same turbos as blouch (subie turbine housings with garrett BB charas and whatever turbine and comp wheels you want).
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BW does not publish the turbine wheel size on the EFR's, why because it's a secret they don't wan to share. At least that is what I was told. Quote:
Kamak seems to be making some nice turbos but I'd rather give my money to a US manufacturer like Blouch (or Precision) with proven products and good customer service. Good luck with the CS and Kamak, maybe they'll be ok but who knows. Talk is cheap as we all know. Quote:
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11-02-2013, 11:44 AM | #67 |
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It's like once you put a company's product on your car you feel they can do no wrong.
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11-02-2013, 12:17 PM | #68 | |
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I am looking forward to tune the 3.5XTR. Even the 3.0. I will see pump gas w/ meth and then race fuel. Will post results. Would love to do so for xmas. I am hoping he chose the Dom 4.0XTR, but we dond have cams in. We will be building 2 engines. So 3.0 for road and 4.0 for race. Last edited by west_minist; 11-03-2013 at 09:36 AM. |
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11-02-2013, 01:24 PM | #69 | |
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11-03-2013, 05:42 AM | #70 |
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That's true, so you have to go about discovering it for yourself.
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11-03-2013, 09:54 AM | #71 |
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Great thread, alot of info on turbos!!! Does any one know the "trim" of the FPGreen HTA? I tried asking FP but didnt get any response so I figured my subaru friends could help me out lol.
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11-03-2013, 10:04 AM | #72 |
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One thing about Blouch, you would get one.
Please see the file http://www.xtremeracingtuning.com/fo...le.php?id=1334 |
11-03-2013, 11:23 AM | #73 | |
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11-03-2013, 02:19 PM | #74 | |
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11-03-2013, 07:55 PM | #75 | |
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You should make a request to Blouch to publish their compressor maps. I can talk to Mike Malin at Blouch and ask him if they would consider this if they have the maps. The more requests they have the more likely they will publish them. |
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