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02-18-2020, 06:54 PM | #26 |
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Not having rear seats is not a problem for me as I own multiple cars, but AT is a problem.. especially the 4 banger makes no sense to me since there is a more powerful V6 version why bother buying the 4 cylinder.
That said, the 86 with 6MT would be a better choice even if it came with a wimpy motor again.
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02-18-2020, 10:50 PM | #27 | |
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According to Autoevolution, I may have been close with my power estimates of a naturally aspirated FA24 for the twins. No idea on the credibility of this rumor..
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...21-141165.html "Word has it the 2.0-liter FA20 will be replaced by a 2.4 similar in design to the FA24 but without the forced induction of the twin-scroll turbocharger. The free-breathing version of the FA24 is expected with 217 horsepower and 177 pound-feet, specifications that seem likely when compared to the output of the FA20." The extra torque would be welcomed.. but will the torque dip finally be eliminated? Quote:
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02-21-2020, 02:04 PM | #28 |
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what if the 2.0 supra and the gr86 differentiate where the 2.0 supra gets the 255hp but with only the 8 speed automatic, and the gr86 gets the 2.4 turbo but only making 250hp and with the 6speed manual or automatic. neither would really step on each other's toes and the wrx and sti still would have the awd, more power, and more room than the new brz
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02-21-2020, 02:39 PM | #29 |
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Very little chance this vehicle gets the FA24 engine IMO.
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02-21-2020, 02:43 PM | #30 |
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Since everyone is complaining about the auto only Supra, I'm not sure how offering a similar HP version of the 86 with a manual wouldn't be an issue for Toyota. The fact that the 86 is even more practical (with its back seat) is an even bigger disincentive.
If they fit a detuned STI 2.4 into the twins, how long would it be until people had those tuned up to ~315hp using all OEM Subaru parts? Pretty quick I think. |
02-21-2020, 02:53 PM | #31 | |
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02-21-2020, 06:16 PM | #32 |
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Holding out for a CVT.
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02-21-2020, 06:27 PM | #33 | |
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02-21-2020, 06:35 PM | #34 |
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Here is the thing...They can make a very, very, very potent 86 without FI. Porsche did it with the GT3, obviously I am not comparing the two BUT there is a ton of potential in a NA FA24...Ahhhh dafuq am I saying, we will barely get over 200 hp with terrible OEM tuning.
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02-21-2020, 10:59 PM | #35 | |
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02-22-2020, 09:44 AM | #36 |
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FA24 CVT BRZ making about 220-230 hp?
Sure. Why not. |
02-24-2020, 02:30 PM | #37 |
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2.4? Likely.
2.4 with Turbo? Pipedream of mine. It's all just wishful window shopping, but as a young guy with a wrx I put work into, a factory turbo brz platform would be super attractive and refreshing option. |
02-24-2020, 02:39 PM | #38 |
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Watch it be electric...
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02-24-2020, 02:57 PM | #40 |
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What is their reasoning for continuing to deny us the turbo engine? It's there, ready to go. Drop it in, bolt on bigger brakes from the parts bin and you're done. Where is the big expense for them?
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02-24-2020, 02:59 PM | #41 |
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02-24-2020, 03:33 PM | #42 | |
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If they don't give it a turbo, hopefully whatever N/A they put in it will do better than what's in it now. People will ALWAYS ask for more power. The twins where complimented when they were introduced. They have just been out for a long time without any improvements worth discussing. Hopefully the 2nd gen will address much of this. They are not trying to offer a mini Vette with soo much power the majority of buyers won't be able to handle it. Remember, MPG was also a big part of the twins formula. Whether an enthusiast "cares" about it or not, I would think it still matters to a degree and also having to satisfy the CAFE stuff. MPG(emissions), size of engine(CoG), cost. Many things/reasons not to offer a turbo. |
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02-24-2020, 03:35 PM | #43 | |
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For one, this would compete too much with the WRX sales in my opinion, and they have positioned the brz/86 in its own offering category, affordable, lightweight, NA engine that drives great, and doesnt make too much power, tons of fun to drive, but leaves wanting for more power. WRX gives you the turbo, manual, and awd we desire at another reasonable price point (slightly more expensive), but is a 4 door sedan, and heavier. If you were to tell me I could get an affordable (wrx price or cheaper) RWD 2.4L turbo manual lightweight track coupe that can be tuned up easily, or a WRX like I bought, guess which way I'm going? |
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02-24-2020, 05:14 PM | #44 | |
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These sort of decisions aren't taken lightly by manufacturers, if it penciled out you better believe you could get any one of the FA20/EJ257/EZ36 in the BRZ. |
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02-24-2020, 06:07 PM | #46 | |
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02-24-2020, 06:51 PM | #47 |
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02-24-2020, 08:22 PM | #48 |
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And the Miata is that much faster? Really? And if the Mazdaspeed sold so good, why don't they offer it now? Why isn't a turbo motor a standard motor for them?
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02-24-2020, 08:31 PM | #49 |
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NC Miata Mazdaspeed was more of a Ford push.
ND Miata RF is pretty expensive. Adding a turbo would make it mid-to-upper $30k. Same with a BRZ STI. |
02-25-2020, 01:41 AM | #50 |
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Mazda never offered a Mazdaspeed NC. However the NC was almost as fast as the NB Mazdaspeed and ND and especially the ND2 are much faster.
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