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Old 12-27-2019, 01:46 PM   #26
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I like it and I'd buy one even if it has the LOBXT running gear.
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Old 12-27-2019, 05:01 PM   #27
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To me, it's the best package Subaru has made so far.
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Old 12-27-2019, 06:21 PM   #28
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I want my production concept car without door handles and side mirrors, please.

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Old 12-27-2019, 09:05 PM   #29
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I want my production concept car without door handles and side mirrors, please.

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Gotta has mirrers... it's in our DNA now to look at them instinctively... not at a video screen. We gotta look "there" anyway as we sweep our periphery, so...

Can't imagine how no door handles would work... except to come up with, it wouldn't.



Anywhere near close is great IMO. Haven't changed that opinion in, hmmm... five or so years now? Too bad, too... I'd have owned one already. Now I'm perfectly happy with my Impreza... basically a Levorg, missing nothing I really miss.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:19 PM   #30
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LeDrool. LeSigh.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:38 PM   #31
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I'd take cameras mounted to where the side mirrors should be, and have their images transferred to the lower corners of the windshield as Heads Up Displays.

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Old 12-27-2019, 11:04 PM   #32
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I'd like mine with on the fly driver controlled suspension.
Like most of the competition has had for some time now.
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Old 12-28-2019, 07:37 AM   #33
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I'd like mine with on the fly driver controlled suspension.
Like most of the competition has had for some time now.
I think Subaru passes on it because of cost to implement and worse, cost to repair. It doesn't fit the Subaru model.

They learned that with the one(s) they made that had it way back when... like my '92 Legacy wagon. It was awesome... but cost a fortune to fix when it went. Or so I heard from an ex.

I'd like it. But I'm not willing to pay for it, in the long term if nothing else.
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:18 AM   #34
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I think Subaru passes on it because of cost to implement and worse, cost to repair. It doesn't fit the Subaru model.

They learned that with the one(s) they made that had it way back when... like my '92 Legacy wagon. It was awesome... but cost a fortune to fix when it went. Or so I heard from an ex.

I'd like it. But I'm not willing to pay for it, in the long term if nothing else.
It seems as though this feature is becoming ubiquitous from other manufacturers. Are they having trouble with reliability and maintenance costs with it?
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:21 AM   #35
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I'd like mine with on the fly driver controlled suspension.
Like most of the competition has had for some time now.
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I think Subaru passes on it because of cost to implement and worse, cost to repair. It doesn't fit the Subaru model.

They learned that with the one(s) they made that had it way back when... like my '92 Legacy wagon. It was awesome... but cost a fortune to fix when it went. Or so I heard from an ex.

I'd like it. But I'm not willing to pay for it, in the long term if nothing else.
They had it on a few JDM models way back when. Did some "rallying" in the back seat of a buddys Leone Sedan through some Hachinohe area mountain roads. Changed up the suspension a few times.
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:13 AM   #36
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Whatever this **** has. I don't care. SOA can't bring this but can make STI a goddam special import for 209 cars.

Still mad.
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:36 AM   #37
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Here's the sendoff Levorg before the SGP switch:












I really like the cool gray.

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Old 12-29-2019, 01:51 AM   #38
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Whatever this **** has. I don't care. SOA can't bring this but can make STI a goddam special import for 209 cars.

Still mad.
It's infuriating . They already make it. And despite claims to the contrary; 5 doors do sell in the US. The WRX Sportwagon sold beyond original expectations, and when 5 doors were available for WRX and STI they sold nearly as many as were sedans. With Foresters and Outbacks veering further and further from their wagon roots towards becoming SUV's, a hole has been created. As part of Subaru's largest client base, I can't but somehow feel personally insulted.
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It's infuriating . They already make it. And despite claims to the contrary; 5 doors do sell in the US. The WRX Sportwagon sold beyond original expectations, and when 5 doors were available for WRX and STI they sold nearly as many as were sedans. With Foresters and Outbacks veering further and further from their wagon roots towards becoming SUV's, a hole has been created. As part of Subaru's largest client base, I can't but somehow feel personally insulted.
5 doors sell, wagons don't. The original WRX wagon didn't sell nearly as well as the sedan. I've posted the numbers before. The 5 door was a different story. Subaru doesn't even sell many CVT WRX's. What happens when that wagon shows up as CVT only? If Subaru Japan wants the Levorg here, it'd be here already.
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Old 12-29-2019, 06:12 AM   #40
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5 doors sell, wagons don't. The original WRX wagon didn't sell nearly as well as the sedan. I've posted the numbers before. The 5 door was a different story. Subaru doesn't even sell many CVT WRX's. What happens when that wagon shows up as CVT only? If Subaru Japan wants the Levorg here, it'd be here already.
Back in ‘02, they expected the Sportwagon to be about 20% of annual sales. They reached those projected annual sales numbers in just a few months.

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Old 12-29-2019, 11:15 AM   #41
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Back in ‘02, they expected the Sportwagon to be about 20% of annual sales. They reached those projected annual sales numbers in just a few months.
And 3 model years later, the wagon was less than 20%, declined every year, sat on lots longer, and required more incentive money to move...

In comes the 5 door, completely different story.
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:29 AM   #42
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I would have happily taken 3 MY of Levorg being sustainable and Subaru deciding what to do with it before the switch to SGP. It was never given a chance though.

Still mad.
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:21 PM   #43
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As part of Subaru's largest client base, I can't but somehow feel personally insulted.
Blind loyalty will only leave one disappointed. They've moved on from you, move on from them.
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:34 PM   #44
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http://newsroom.vw.com/vehicles/the-...ns-in-america/

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Volkswagen knows wagon fans well; we've been selling wagons in America since 1966. But customers are speaking clearly about their preferences-it's an SUV world now-and the 2019 model year will mark the end of Volkswagen Golf Alltrack and SportWagen production for the United States.

"As we say goodbye to the Golf wagons, our legacy of ***8216;long roofs' is something worth celebrating," says Megan Closset, Product Manager for the Golf Family at Volkswagen of America. "From the air-cooled Squareback to the midsize Quantum and Passat wagons to today's SportWagen and Alltrack models, every VW wagon has offered something different and something that stands out from the crowd."
VW offered their condolences.
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:51 PM   #45
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5 doors sell, wagons don't. The original WRX wagon didn't sell nearly as well as the sedan. I've posted the numbers before. The 5 door was a different story. Subaru doesn't even sell many CVT WRX's. What happens when that wagon shows up as CVT only? If Subaru Japan wants the Levorg here, it'd be here already.


Not trying to derail the thread but my local dealer told me WRX CVT sales were more than 40%.

I’d be cool with that STI Levorg...
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:56 PM   #46
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Kudos to VW for offering AWD wagons in the past. But despite rumors of a Golf R wagon that never materialized here, sporty variants weren't part of the stable.
For that VW Group is going upscale:

https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-rs6-avant-preview

and:

https://cc.porsche.com/icc/ccCall.do...start%2fall%2f

With current Impreza's now being close in size to the previous Legacy Wagons, the void created by the SUVing of the Outback could easily be filled with a sport wagon for the common man.
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Old 12-29-2019, 01:02 PM   #47
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Not trying to derail the thread but my local dealer told me WRX CVT sales were more than 40%.

I’d be cool with that STI Levorg...
And my dealer told me quite the opposite. Very small CVT WRX sales. Certainly enough to keep production going, but not anywhere close to 40%. Think they said 15% or something..
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It's infuriating . They already make it. And despite claims to the contrary; 5 doors do sell in the US. The WRX Sportwagon sold beyond original expectations, and when 5 doors were available for WRX and STI they sold nearly as many as were sedans. With Foresters and Outbacks veering further and further from their wagon roots towards becoming SUV's, a hole has been created. As part of Subaru's largest client base, I can't but somehow feel personally insulted.
What Subarus have you owned? Largest client base? Subaru's "wagon" sales shifted to the "SUWs" a very long time ago.

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Back in ‘02, they expected the Sportwagon to be about 20% of annual sales. They reached those projected annual sales numbers in just a few months.
'02? '02? Seriously? That was.....wait. lemme do the math.......17 years ago? Tell me any segment that sells the same as 17 years ago.

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I would have happily taken 3 MY of Levorg being sustainable and Subaru deciding what to do with it before the switch to SGP. It was never given a chance though. Still mad.
I agree. At least try it.
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Old 12-29-2019, 02:07 PM   #49
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And my dealer told me quite the opposite. Very small CVT WRX sales. Certainly enough to keep production going, but not anywhere close to 40%. Think they said 15% or something..
Yeah. I wouldn't think 40%. Could be a regional thing as well. Like your area selling lots of FXTs and areas like down here they were scarce sales.
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What Subarus have you owned? Largest client base? Subaru's "wagon" sales shifted to the "SUWs" a very long time ago.



'02? '02? Seriously? That was.....wait. lemme do the math.......17 years ago? Tell me any segment that sells the same as 17 years ago.



I agree. At least try it.
I’ve owned an ‘02 WRX Sportwagon and currently own a ‘15 STI Limited.
By customer base, I meant as part of the US market.
I referred back to the last era that Subaru offered a performance wagon. Models which by my albeit limited scope never seemed to last on my local dealers lots for more than a couple of weeks. Sedans we’re almost always available. I am confident that the 5 door segment would have thrived if allowed to.
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