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Old 11-23-2014, 04:44 PM   #51
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Are you comparing a billion pound 10000 year old diesel truck to a 2.0L sports car..

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Yep. I suspect the previous posters didn't fully digest the point. It's a ludicrous comparison because they shouldn't be anywhere close.... And yet they are. Large engines tend to have low RPM ranges. Diesels tend to have low rpm ranges. Thus, a large older diesel will have a low overall rpm range and a somewhat narrow power land, in terms of rpm. I like the EJ's (I've owned a few now), but it's a bit sorry that their powerband doesn't span much more than an old diesel, unlike most sporty gas engines. My point is that I've been looking forward to Subaru introducing a powerplant with power across more than 2500rpm.
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Old 11-23-2014, 04:47 PM   #52
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No. He's improperly comparing two completely different engines built for two entirely different purposes.

Oh, and looking like an ass.

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Old 11-23-2014, 04:52 PM   #53
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No. He's improperly comparing two completely different engines built for two entirely different purposes.
You're making the same point that the engines should have very different characteristics.
To each their own.
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Old 11-23-2014, 06:42 PM   #54
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Well when they use an entirely different fuel, different architecture, massively different air flow dynamics, and purpose...

Stop posting. Go do research.

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Old 11-23-2014, 10:39 PM   #55
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Well when they use an entirely different fuel, different architecture, massively different air flow dynamics, and purpose..
These all reiterate my original point, but it has run its course. I'm not sure where the discrepancy lies, but c'est la NASIOC. Let's move on.

Silly internet squabbling aside, I came across a potential FA20 swap from a wrecked WRX into an older Forester. If that actually happens, I'll be interested to see what issues they run into as guinea pigs for swaps with EJ platforms. I haven't had an opportunity to inspect the new wiring harness, but I'll be curious what/if any problems occur.

Please relay links of any more FA20 swaps that anyone runs across.
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Old 11-23-2014, 11:00 PM   #56
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Good luck there buddy. With your attitude toward the fa20, lack of understanding of basic operational principles, and general ignorant approach to this whole subject, you're going to need it.

Please PM me about your finished car. I'd love to hear about it when it's done.

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Old 11-24-2014, 12:18 AM   #57
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Good grief. Stop.

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With your attitude toward the fa20
You're creating a staw man argument here. The engine has several characteristics that I like over the EJ series. Nothing more, nothing less. That's it. It has some drawbacks as well, which all machinery has. I don't think it's the greatest engine ever, maybe not even the best Subaru engine ever; just an improvement on a previous design for my preferences. You're being dramatic here.

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lack of understanding of basic operational principles
These things haven't been discussed. I don't think you have more years of engineering, but I'm making assumptions based on how you construct emotional arguments. In any case, I'm not sure why this is pertinent to other people showing their engine swaps that they may find.

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general ignorant approach to this whole subject, you're going to need it.
You have addressed phrases of my questions/comments without capturing the actual idea of what all the words mean when they're put together. You give redundant rebuttals to counter (an argument that I'm not even arguing) that actually is a reworded version of what just said. I'm probably to blame on that one because I probably didn't relay what I was saying very coherently. However, the correct response in that case would have been to read it and ignore it. With reference to the 'subject', I'm not sure exactly which subject you mean (automotive or all of mech engineering?).

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Please PM me about your finished car. I'd love to hear about it when it's done.
I'm assuming that you don't want me to actually PM you, so this is confrontational and childish. I hate to act like I'm talking to a 6 year old, but that's what this phrase sounds like. I'm not building any Subaru projects at the moment specifically because I don't want to be the guinea pig for this project. That's why I was asking about this. There are plenty of wild swaps out there and one-off builds on various other make/model forums, so I would hardly consider it "putting a man on the moon" to swap a 4cylinder gasoline turbo from the same manufacturer to another 4cylinder turbo from the same manufacturer.

If you want to help swap a new engine into a Unimog U1300, then we're talking about a real project.

In any case, I started a thread that got off onto a tangent. You don't have to reply to it. If you're just trolling, then you got me.
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:56 AM   #58
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its easy enough to build the ej257 to make an easy 400/400 that will last 100k miles....
for a small fraction of what even THINKING about what a swap like this would cost.

and if you are smart you can even make the stock ej257 last 200k at almost 400


and...jesus....just w0w
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Old 11-24-2014, 07:49 AM   #59
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its easy enough to build the ej257 to make an easy 400/400 that will last 100k miles....
for a small fraction of what even THINKING about what a swap like this would cost.

and if you are smart you can even make the stock ej257 last 200k at almost 400


and...jesus....just w0w
Show me 1...just 1, EJ engine with 400 whp that has lasted 100K miles with that power. You rarely see a stock EJ engine last 100K without pretty extensive repairs. I wouldn't expect the FA engine to last either with that much power though.

This thread, like many other threads on NASIOC, just turned into a squabble between people who want to act like they know everything on the internet. Does it help you sleep at night to act like you're a know-it-all on a internet forum? Grow up kids.

To the OP - if you want to swap an FA20DIT into the STI, go ahead. You could find a wrecked WRX or FXT pretty soon and buy the engine very cheap. It will take a lot of know-how and time, but if you have the skill you can swap the engine in. If not, I am sure there are shops in your area that could do it.

This is why I should never got on NASIOC in the morning, pisses me off for the rest of the day when I have to read arguments from idiotic 10 year olds.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:07 AM   #60
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Show me 1...just 1, EJ engine with 400 whp that has lasted 100K miles with that power. You rarely see a stock EJ engine last 100K without pretty extensive repairs. I wouldn't expect the FA engine to last either with that much power though.



This thread, like many other threads on NASIOC, just turned into a squabble between people who want to act like they know everything on the internet. Does it help you sleep at night to act like you're a know-it-all on a internet forum? Grow up kids.



To the OP - if you want to swap an FA20DIT into the STI, go ahead. You could find a wrecked WRX or FXT pretty soon and buy the engine very cheap. It will take a lot of know-how and time, but if you have the skill you can swap the engine in. If not, I am sure there are shops in your area that could do it.



This is why I should never got on NASIOC in the morning, pisses me off for the rest of the day when I have to read arguments from idiotic 10 year olds.

You just called uncle Scotty a idiotic 10 year old totally in for response.
And actually there's guys that have very very significant mileage on even stock blocks at 400whp on a good tune it seems to be a little higher then that before issues arise. Remember that 9/10 times the only complaints you see are from the broken ones, no one has a reason to randomly post hay I have xxx milage at xxx whp. I know quiet a few high milage stock block cars that have been beat on their whole lives rallied auto x ect on bigger turbos and e-85 for a couple years locally.

But wait I one up you find me a single fa in a wrx even making 400whp for a single mile with a trap sheet to back it up boom I win.


If anything your the idiot if you think your just going to buy a wrecked wrx for "cheap". Your prob still looking at north of 10 grand, k now swap all that Into another car and figure out all that bs wiring this isn't exactly as simple as a 02-07 car. Oh then you spent 15 grand and a billion years of your time all so you can max out at 38x whp and not be able to figuring out why when you turn it up it stops making power.

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Old 11-24-2014, 09:21 AM   #61
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So much stupidity in this thread.

In for uncle Scott's response.

OP: purchase a wrx limited.

-Or-

Buy a new Sti and swap on ELH and twin scroll turbo.

Sell turbo and manifold to someone who lunched theirs and or would like a pnp set up
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Old 11-24-2014, 12:03 PM   #62
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Also in for the Uncle's response
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Old 11-24-2014, 05:48 PM   #63
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Might be easier to start with the WRX with the FA and attempt to swap the STI trans along with upgraded suspension as opposed to starting with the STI. Either way its not a feasible mod by any means.

Just wait for the FA to debut in the STI....eventually it will.
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:26 AM   #64
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Okay, hold on there. Subaru Technical International decided to run an FA20 in the STI they ran at Nurburgring. This is especially notable because this is one of the only motorsports events that Subaru has used the 2015 models in.

If it's such a terrible idea, why is it the first thing that the STI team did in a '15 model motorsport event?
bollocks - its an EJ20 making 340PS and 461nm
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:22 AM   #65
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R and R is correct the ej206 was in the tested STI.

Engine swapping is only a good idea when the swap is cheaper than the rebuild; or the block can't handle the power which is rare these days.

In a few ways the FA is a better engine but they do not add up enough to warrant a swap.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:17 PM   #66
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Show me 1...just 1, EJ engine with 400 whp that has lasted 100K miles with that power. You rarely see a stock EJ engine last 100K without pretty extensive repairs. I wouldn't expect the FA engine to last either with that much power though.

This thread, like many other threads on NASIOC, just turned into a squabble between people who want to act like they know everything on the internet. Does it help you sleep at night to act like you're a know-it-all on a internet forum? Grow up kids.

To the OP - if you want to swap an FA20DIT into the STI, go ahead. You could find a wrecked WRX or FXT pretty soon and buy the engine very cheap. It will take a lot of know-how and time, but if you have the skill you can swap the engine in. If not, I am sure there are shops in your area that could do it.

This is why I should never got on NASIOC in the morning, pisses me off for the rest of the day when I have to read arguments from idiotic 10 year olds.

yew are a REAL ****in idiot......a TRUE n000000b shows up and don't know **** IDIOT

just like 99% of all of ya
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:50 AM   #67
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Amazing thread NASIOC the gift that keeps on giving

But seriously there are literally thousand of posts on how to change/modify the characteristics of the EJ, backed by an industry able to support this process.

Many lessons have been learnt, many mistakes have been made but what stands out is there are successful strategies and failed strategies.

The same will apply to the FA.

At the end of the day most drivers found on NASIOC would benefit more from driver training - rally school/speed school or defensive driving school than by significant gains in HP and the linked change in torque.

To the OP you will benefit far more from the above than by swapping an engine because you prefer its characteristics - which in reality are more defined by the twin scroll and its limitations than anything else.
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Amazing thread NASIOC the gift that keeps on giving

But seriously there are literally thousand of posts on how to change/modify the characteristics of the EJ, backed by an industry able to support this process.

Many lessons have been learnt, many mistakes have been made but what stands out is there are successful strategies and failed strategies.

The same will apply to the FA.

At the end of the day most drivers found on NASIOC would benefit more from driver training - rally school/speed school or defensive driving school than by significant gains in HP and the linked change in torque.

To the OP you will benefit far more from the above than by swapping an engine because you prefer its characteristics - which in reality are more defined by the twin scroll and its limitations than anything else.
not trying s0000000oooooooo bloody hard to be all k00 an ****

THAT is the issue....gotsta be all k00 an ****...
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What trolls those 2 STI owners were lmaoo I love reading this knowing how much progress the FA20DIT has made since. (now 2018) Easily obtained reliable power increases up to 400hp to the crank, and then block reinforcement to RELIABLY go the rest of the way. Very happy with this engine so far, and I’m happy I was able to afford the car at the time (in college) because now I can build it the way I really want (now that I’m making college degree muula($) =) lol) exciting to see 420whp examples running 10s.

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What trolls those 2 STI owners were lmaoo I love reading this knowing how much progress the FA20DIT has made since. (now 2018) Easily obtained reliable power increases up to 400hp to the crank, and then block reinforcement to RELIABLY go the rest of the way. Very happy with this engine so far, and I’m happy I was able to afford the car at the time (in college) because now I can build it the way I really want (now that I’m making college degree muula($) =) lol) exciting to see 420whp examples running 10s.
What 420whp car ran a 10?
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What 420whp car ran a 10?
Lowest reading dyno EVER.
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This is the only forum that I have even been on that really has no middle ground hahaha. It is either very toxic with the anti Subbie trolls (lots of them here I noticed) OR extremely helpful (like the logs threads). I have a love/hate relationship with this place. One morning I find out that my car is supposed to blow up any minute now and the next morning it can handle 400 whp on stock block .

BTW I love, love this FA platform. It has treated me extremely well for the last 3 years, took everything I threw at it and has been an absolutely bulletproof and a blast to drive. Something I cannot say for any other car I owned in the past.
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my car makes 450whp stock block

it wont die so im getting a 550hp map

Peoples opinions of these cars closely correlates with their choice of tuner
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my car makes 450whp stock block

it wont die so im getting a 550hp map

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What's it going to take to get you to 550whp?
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What's it going to take to get you to 550whp?
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