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Old 01-28-2021, 03:36 PM   #26
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I'm genuinely curious here. You are leasing this car and are modifying it? Do you plan on buying it or returning it after the lease is up?
I Haven't yet decided. I have 3 years to decide.
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:16 PM   #27
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This is why subaru shouldn't lease STI's/WRX. Just like BMW does with their M cars.

I HOPE they mess up your tune and your engine blows because what you're doing is not fair for the next owner.(who is gonna be the real owner), unlike yourself who is just renting it.

you're supposed to keep it stock and drive it normally if you're leasing it.
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:42 PM   #28
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This is why subaru shouldn't lease STI's/WRX. Just like BMW does with their M cars.

I HOPE they mess up your tune and your engine blows because what you're doing is not fair for the next owner.(who is gonna be the real owner), unlike yourself who is just renting it.

you're supposed to keep it stock and drive it normally if you're leasing it.
I leased at first, and then modded after the first of three years3. I did end up buying the car off lease. But many people lease for various reasons. Me? I didn't know if I'd want a manual car with commuting. But after a year, I was sold. Did I waste some money vs financing at the start? Sure. But that was my fee for learning if I wanted to keep the car.
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:57 PM   #29
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I leased at first, and then modded after the first of three years3. I did end up buying the car off lease. But many people lease for various reasons. Me? I didn't know if I'd want a manual car with commuting. But after a year, I was sold. Did I waste some money vs financing at the start? Sure. But that was my fee for learning if I wanted to keep the car.
Leasing is a scummy tactic by the dealers, First the lease comes out to 40% of the car's value then they dress it up, bondo, paint, call it CPO and sell it to the next guy for 90% of what the car cost new.. so, i'm not even mad at this guy, but at the dealers..no hard feelings buddy...

not to mention people roll back odometers and return leased cars and the dealership has no way of knowing.. that's why I only buy new, or VERY VERY USED for cheap. I don't give them a deposit.I specifically ask them NOT TO do anything with the car. If the car arrives and they took a single sticker off, washed/swirled the paint, fixed any transport damage, I walk away.

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Old 01-28-2021, 05:20 PM   #30
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The real question is,

Why would you dump all that money into mods/Tune when it’s a lease? I mean... you gotta be at least 3k$ in and you won’t see that money back, aside from selling some of the used parts.

What if the motor blows up? Then they run an ecu check and blame you for tampering with the vehicle. Some will say, “well it’s a lease they won’t know”. Others will say No... it’s a Subaru, which has a reputation of people modding them, and I’m willing to bet they would definitely look into it if you brought it in with a hole in the block. No doubt.

Spending Thousands of dollars on “Fun” when you haven’t even decided to actually Keep it?

I never understood the deal with leasing. And definitely don’t understand dumping money into, lowering the Reliability, and potentially running into future issues down the line if the Vehicle decides to throw a rod.

I wouldn’t wish the tuner messes up the tune like The guy said above^.... But damn man, I’m trying to wrap my head around messing with something that’s not technically yours, and risking it. I mean....unless mommy and daddy are there to “Cover” you. Then I guess you don’t have anything to worry about.
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Old 01-28-2021, 07:48 PM   #31
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I mean....unless mommy and daddy are there to “Cover” you. Then I guess you don’t have anything to worry about.
Haven't decided if I am gonna respond to all the other stuff, and maybe you meant this in general to people on the forum, but notice how long I have been a member of this forum. I might have been a kid back then (I wasn't, but still) I certainly am not 20 years later. I been in this "game" a long time. Never blown a motor.
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Old 01-28-2021, 09:00 PM   #32
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Yes, that statement was in General.
As I don’t know you lol. Not intended to be an insult.

Hey... if you got the money to play Then go for it. You also have the option to keep the car as you’ve stated. So it could be potentially yours.

I guess... Send it?
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:23 PM   #33
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You will need a lot more than what you have to RELIABLY make 325-350 HP at the wheels on a conservative dyno (like a Mustang dyno). Think stage 2+ w/ not only Cobb AP and intake but also full 3" exhaust, j-pipe, EBCS, intercooler, charge pipe, fuel pump, TGV plate delete, header). You certainly won't do it with a stage 1 Cobb kit and OTS tune. Good luck with your mods and tuner!!!
Wrong.

I guess you missed the part about his car being flex fuel tuned.
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Old 02-02-2021, 11:48 AM   #34
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TGV and EGR deletes on E85 in California on a leased car? TGV and EGR deletes are the most blatant emission elimination you can do besides going full catless. There's really no plausible deniability.

Bad idea man. Maybe some exhaust you can reverse easily. I've done stage 1 tunes on lease cars before, but you're really looking for trouble.

Ethanol will definitely reduce the life of your stock HPFP. You can roll the dice with it if you want, it's up to you.
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Old 02-02-2021, 02:51 PM   #35
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Well to tell you the truth, I was gonna pay cash for my WRX back in 2015.. I ended up having to bail a family member out of some financial difficulties and went with a lease instead.. (I knew I was gonna buy at the end) and modded the hell out of it, STI trans, Coilovers, Stage 4 on WMI, etc.. everyone said I was nuts to do this to a Lease.. I think to each one their own choices.. 6 yrs later, fully paid off and now on to my next project vehicle.. If you plan on returning the vehicle, you will have to set back to stock or payup if they discover the discrepancies you've left behind.. best of luck
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Old 02-22-2021, 12:00 PM   #36
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Ethanol will definitely reduce the life of your stock HPFP. You can roll the dice with it if you want, it's up to you.
This is not true. MANY on these forums alone going thousands of miles on flex tunes with no issue with HPFP. The issue comes if you tr to run straight e85 or too high of an E content in the mix for too long.

Local flex wrx by me has been on flex since cobb launched the kit. He runs an e60 blend mostly with occasional tanks of straight 93 (mostly to get more mpg for long trips). His build plus others are what convinced me the HPFP is fine with safe mix ratio plus running 93 only every once in a while. So thats what i have been doing since the full build was completed/tuned... 8k miles so far.

Not meant to debate or argue, just wanted to put it out there for anyone reading this thread that is considering FF.
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Old 02-22-2021, 12:54 PM   #37
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I didnt read all 35 replies, but yes the shop is trying to upsell you. The hpfp can get gummed up but if you occasionally run a tank of 91/93 you should be fine. Even the nostrum $800 hpfp its still possible it can fail. With an e50/60 tune you should have enough regular gas to properly lubricate it and hit your torque number. The wheel hp maybe not but torque for sure.
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