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Old 05-13-2005, 07:45 PM   #1
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Default Modded WRX? (topic used to be turbo 2.5rs)

Edit: I gave up on the 2.5RS (the seller hasn't e-mailed me back in a few days, anyways) and am now looking for a WRX.

I'm trying to find one thats below $17k, as higher would put me closer to quite a few other cars I could consider. My options are also limited in that I want neither a silver WRX nor a blue WRX - too common - so I'm setting my sights on either black or red. Though, when push comes to shove (i.e. I want to get a new car by the end of this summer) I will settle for any color I can get.

So far, though, there's only one WRX that fits my criteria of color + price, and that is a black WRX. The problem is that it is modded. It's a 2003 with 45.5k miles (the mileage is also something that stands out, but I'll see its condition in person instead) with an Apex N1 exhaust, Vishnu uppipe and downpipe, and HKS BOV. The BOV I'm concerned about because of its side effects (running rich, engine lug, etc.) so I'm going to ask if he can revert it back to stock. The other mods seem to just be simple bolt-ons, though they do suggest that the seller has run the car hard. Otherwise, do you think this would be a good buy at this price - or if I should negotiate down his price or rather not look at this deal because of the mods?
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:54 PM   #2
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Im not an expert on turbos, but the fact that it originally had crap piping and leak problems, id want an independant mechanic to look into that. Id also find out if 4 psi is all that the turbo has been run at, those engines arent the strongest in the world when boost is applied. Ask for some pictures to post here. And I would say if your interested make a day trip out there to look at it, it should at least be a pretty fun test ride.
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Old 05-13-2005, 11:03 PM   #3
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I infer that he has only been running it at 4 psi ("The reliablity issue is pretty good with this car I think, because the engine is basically stock with a little help from the turbo, like I said 4 psi of boost, which is really nothing."), though I don't think he has any info on what the past owner has run.

I'm leaning toward going over there with a mechanic, now, but I'll decide in a week or so when I expect some more free time to open up.

His Autotrader ad only has external pictures. Should I ask him for pictures of the engine bay or anything else specific?
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Old 05-13-2005, 11:09 PM   #4
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Get all the pictures you can, get every picture of every dent, scratch, bug splatter. But I would especially get some that encompass as many mods as possible. Another thing you could look into is who installed everything and if paper work is available. Maybe even see if contacting the previous owner is possible. Some may say Im being too careful, but hey its 15K, which is still alot of money to me, and Id like to know exactly what Im about to drop that much on. Try carfax too. I think some others will echo the cant be too careful with a pre modded car, especially when the current owner didnt do it. but hey this is all just my .02 USD
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Old 05-13-2005, 11:15 PM   #5
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Yeah, the pre-modding is my main qualm about this car, and traveling 100 miles to see it.

Only the turbo was installed by the prevoius owner, though. The current owner added the other mods, and he works for the shop that installed them, so that makes it sound more reliable. Moreover, his wife can maintain an FD RX-7, so that's pretty good.

From the exterior pics (6 of them) it seems to be in good shape. But, yeah, I'll ask him for pictures encompassing the mods.

I'll also run a Carfax on it if I decide to check it out.
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:42 AM   #6
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for 15k you can get an 02 wrx with similar miles.
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Old 05-14-2005, 01:03 AM   #7
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$15k = wayyyyyyy too much for a modded/beat RS
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Old 05-14-2005, 01:10 AM   #8
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I agree w/ Capt. Crunch, I got mine for $14K. I don't know what your price range is like, but if If you can do $15K, its best to hold out for a WRX you like w/in your range.
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Old 05-14-2005, 06:50 AM   #9
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Yep, a WRX w/50k miles should go for $13-14k, based on $21,500 for a new MY05 5MT WRX wagon.
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:35 PM   #10
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Okay, what about this then:

2003 WRX, $16k with 45.5k miles. Really close to the KBB value, I think. Besides a few factory options, it comes with an Apex N1 exhaust, a Vishnu uppipe and downpipe, an HKS turbo timer, and an HKS BOV. It's not in blue or silver either, which is a HUGE plus IMO.

Any problems with that configuration? If I can't negotiate a decrease in price for the 2.5RS, I think I'll go check out that WRX.
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:46 PM   #11
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I'd stay away from an aftermarket turbo 2.5rs... that engine is probably on its last leg already. He says its running 4 psi right now which means he probably ran it at 10 all the time. If his wife owns an FD he probably revs the crap out of the 2.5, nonstop. As far as the WRX goes, personally, I'd never buy a modified WRX. They work fine stock if you know how to drive them. The fact that it has a BOV and a fart can is a deterrant for me.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:26 PM   #12
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Well, I checked on different forums people's opinions on the mods, and they seem to work well and respectably.
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:17 PM   #13
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The guy is smoking crack, the mods he put on the car dont make it worth MORE than blue book, they make it worth LESS than blue book. Modded cars never sell well.

You would be a jackass to buy that car fro 15K when you can buy a WRX for that much, and have a car that would be 1982378912374897 times more reliable. Turbo'd RS's like to blow up, and the fact that this has no EM and is on stock fuel means this one is probably not long for this world.
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:24 PM   #14
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The guy is smoking crack, the mods he put on the car dont make it worth MORE than blue book, they make it worth LESS than blue book. Modded cars never sell well.

You would be a jackass to buy that car fro 15K when you can buy a WRX for that much, and have a car that would be 1982378912374897 times more reliable. Turbo'd RS's like to blow up, and the fact that this has no EM and is on stock fuel means this one is probably not long for this world.
Hehe... I have to agree with the Davester on this one.

Hell, Aerosim will build you a swapped RS complete for roughly $6.5K, you just have to provide the RS. RS's used are pretty cheap. You can do this. There's a few guys that have shipped thier cars west for the swap.
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Old 05-14-2005, 09:43 PM   #15
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Yeah, you guys are probably right.

A swap is too complicated for me at this point. Unless the seller agrees to lower the price significantly, I'll have to settle for a WRX or some other car. Or unless I miraculously happen upon 2.5RS with a swap THAT IS DONE RIGHT. Haha. =(
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Old 05-16-2005, 08:56 PM   #16
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*Bump*

Are there any other opinions on the WRX I mentioned above? I can see that the mods could reflect the driver driving the WRX hard, but is the presence of the mods themselves an 100% deterrant from checking the car out in person? I mean, what are the chances that the car could be in good condition despite the fact that it's modded.
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:07 PM   #17
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please...WRXs are meant to be driven hard...I wouldn't worry about a modded car, but I'd take off that BOV
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:10 PM   #18
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Yeah, that's one of the things I asked him about through e-mail (the BOV). Would it be a difficult job to do on my own, taking off the BOV?
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:27 PM   #19
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Yeah, that's one of the things I asked him about through e-mail (the BOV). Would it be a difficult job to do on my own, taking off the BOV?

...asking this question is proof that the car is NOT for you.
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:29 PM   #20
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Just as others have said, the price is WAY to high for what it is. Don't get me wrong this guy probably spent what hes asking on it (hell probably even more) but that doesn't make it worth 15k
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:33 PM   #21
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Just as others have said, the price is WAY to high for what it is. Don't get me wrong this guy probably spent what hes asking on it (hell probably even more) but that doesn't make it worth 15k
Yeah, you guys are probably right. But my question now is about the WRX I mentioned above.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:00 PM   #22
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2003 WRX, $16k with 45.5k miles. Really close to the KBB value, I think.
But since KBB isn't a reliable source, that doesn't matter. Actual value at that mileage if *unmodded* and in good condition (no dents, paint problems, etc) is about $13k.
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I'd drop the price $1-2k for this.
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an HKS turbo timer, and an HKS BOV.
These just mean the owner didn't know what he was doing, so drop the price another $1-2k since it's probably also been driven stupidly.

Bottom line, pay no more than $10k, and that only if everything checks out both visually and by a mechanic.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:29 PM   #23
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But since KBB isn't a reliable source, that doesn't matter. Actual value at that mileage if *unmodded* and in good condition (no dents, paint problems, etc) is about $13k.
What do you suggest as a good indicator of value, then? NADAguides.com prices it around that much and Edmunds prices it around your appraisal, so is Edmunds a good guideline overall, in your opinion?

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I'd drop the price $1-2k for this.
If he were to revert to stock, should the price return to normal, or is the price drop because of the fact that he installed aftermarket parts?

Also, do you have any suggestions on where to find a WRX closer to your suggested value, as I've looked through print classifieds and online classifieds (e.g. Autotrader) but have not found any decent mileage/good condition WRXs for the $13k you suggested.
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If you're really that interested in the car, listen to this:

I bought my 2.5 RS in September for just under $10k with 88k mi on it. I bought a book on buying cars, used car-fax, and even went to an independant mechanic to have the car looked at. This still isn't enough... I was hit in a parking lot (hit and run) took my car to a body shop, and they told me when inspecting the damage that the entire rear end had been replaced :surprise: ! This is from the rear axle all the way back to the trunk!!!

Lesson I've learned: You need to take it to all these places and a professional body shop to find out if it's really been screwed with (which I'm sure this one has, if you know anything about the SOHC 2.5, it's that this thing doesn't like boost much at all, anything over 7psi is no good). Car Fax may help out, but still isn't sufficient.

There's my .02... oh, and I had an '04 WRX. couldn't afford the damn payments and insurance, so I'll swap in a jdm wrx engine this summer. The GC will be cheaper, and is 500lbs lighter than the STI.

David

P.S. Don't buy this one, there will be more.
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:35 PM   #25
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As I said before, I've given up on the 2.5RS and am looking for a black WRX sedan now. I think I should edit the top post accordingly. Thanks for replying, anyhow.

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