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Old 07-10-2020, 08:44 AM   #1
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2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition Sets Suzuka Track Record
- Limited Edition model brings exclusive high-performance tuning and features to Type R

- Test car was production spec with no modifications

- Limited Edition model goes on sale in the U.S. later this year

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TORRANCE, Calif., July 9, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- The 2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition stormed to a new front-wheel drive track record at Suzuka Circuit, Honda's Formula 1 racetrack in Japan, with a time of 2 minutes 23.993 seconds. Originally built as a test facility for Honda, the 3.6-mile Suzuka track's figure-8 configuration today is known worldwide as a highlight of the Formula 1 season as a driver and fan favorite.

The 2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition stormed to a new front-wheel drive track record at Suzuka Circuit, Honda’s Formula 1 racetrack in Japan, with a time of 2 minutes 23.993 seconds. Originally built as a test facility for Honda, the 3.6-mile Suzuka track’s figure-8 configuration today is known worldwide as a highlight of the Formula 1 season as a driver and fan favorite.
The 2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition stormed to a new front-wheel drive track record at Suzuka Circuit, Honda’s Formula 1 racetrack in Japan, with a time of 2 minutes 23.993 seconds. Originally built as a test facility for Honda, the 3.6-mile Suzuka track’s figure-8 configuration today is known worldwide as a highlight of the Formula 1 season as a driver and fan favorite.
Piloted by Super GT Series racer Takuya Izawa, the Type R Limited Edition achieved its record-breaking lap during final performance evaluations in February using a development car built to final European production specifications, with no modifications or performance enhancements. Video capturing the record breaking lap through in-car footage is available here, with a separate video of the development crew working on the Type R at the track here.

"The Type R Limited Edition reflects Honda's dedication to refining the essence and driving pleasure of Type R as a sports car and exceeding the expectations of our customers," said Civic Type R Project Leader Hideki Kakinuma. "The engineering team and I embraced a racing spirit that has been passed down for generations, and it's this strong passion that's driving the evolution of the Civic Type R towards becoming the ideal sports car. Now the "advanced" Type R that I envisioned at the beginning of this development is a reality and I am overwhelmed by the result and how our efforts have been rewarded."

The 2021 Type R Limited Edition for the U.S. market is the ultimate street-legal, track-focused variant of Honda's legendary Civic Type R, with significant measures taken to reduce weight and improve handling performance. Just 600 will be available when it launches in the U.S. later this year, exclusively painted in new Phoenix Yellow Pearl with contrasting gloss black accents on the roof and mirrors, and a dark chrome Civic badge. Inside, each Type R Limited Edition will feature an individually numbered serial plate denoting the vehicle's original country of sale. The U.S.-spec Type R Limited Edition differs from the European version by retaining air conditioning, Honda Sensing®, and the Display Audio system.

2021 Civic Type R Limited Edition mechanical upgrades from the standard Type R for the U.S. market include: Lightweight, forged aluminum wheels from acclaimed manufacturer BBS (18 lbs. unsprung weight reduction); Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires for improved traction and handling grip; dampers optimized for the new wheel/tire package; recalibrated steering for finer control and feedback; and further weight reduction of 28.2 lbs. through measures such as strategic reduction of sound-deadening materials.

In addition to its unique touches, the Type R Limited Edition shares most of the updates that debuted on the 2020 Civic Type R, including freshened front and rear exterior styling, a larger grille and revised radiator design for improved engine cooling, an Alcantara™-wrapped steering wheel, and a new shifter with a restyled knob, plus the Honda Sensing® suite of safety and driver-assistive technologies.

Under the hood, the Type R Limited Edition draws power from the same race-bred 2.0-liter VTEC® Turbo engine, putting out a peak 306-horsepower (SAE net) and 295 lb.-ft. of torque (SAE net), with power delivered to the front wheels through a close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission and limited-slip differential.

The substantial power and torque is effectively managed by Type R's dual axis strut front suspension system which virtually eliminates torque steer while allowing geometry optimized for maximum cornering performance.
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Old 07-10-2020, 09:59 AM   #2
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I'm sure it's a marble of technology, great for the track, great for FWD fans.

Now make a RWD/AWD sports car instead of driving the wrong pair of wheels forcing it to do multiple-duty.
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I'm sure it's a marble of technology, great for the track, great for FWD fans.

Now make a RWD/AWD sports car instead of driving the wrong pair of wheels forcing it to do multiple-duty.
^This.
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Old 07-10-2020, 11:01 AM   #4
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I'm sure it's a marble of technology, great for the track, great for FWD fans.

Now make a RWD/AWD sports car instead of driving the wrong pair of wheels forcing it to do multiple-duty.
I'm aiming lower. Just offer it with a black interior and some 18 or 19 inch rims.
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Old 07-10-2020, 12:26 PM   #5
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I'm aiming lower. Just offer it with a black interior and some 18 or 19 inch rims.
Me too, I really don't want to pay for the big wing, navigation and 20" wheels.

Give us the Sport that Europe gets, though the wing on that one looks stupid but at least it's more subtle.

But since it'll be a third car anyway, I'd just rather have a GT350.
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Old 07-10-2020, 12:39 PM   #6
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Me too, I really don't want to pay for the big wing, navigation and 20" wheels.

Give us the Sport that Europe gets, though the wing on that one looks stupid but at least it's more subtle.

But since it'll be a third car anyway, I'd just rather have a GT350.
Either that, or a hatch SI. The sport hatch looks really cool. It just needs some more performance.
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Old 07-10-2020, 01:23 PM   #7
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Either that, or a hatch SI. The sport hatch looks really cool. It just needs some more performance.
Yes, i'm buying an Si sedan, but would much prefer a hatch Si. But the hatch doesn't have an LSD, LEDs, sport seats etc so the Si is a better fit for me. I'll miss my Sport hatch though.

Hopefully the next hatch will come in Si form. I drive 25k miles/year so a Type R isn't in the cards.
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Old 07-10-2020, 12:22 PM   #8
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I'm sure it's a marble of technology, great for the track, great for FWD fans.

Now make a RWD/AWD sports car instead of driving the wrong pair of wheels forcing it to do multiple-duty.
This is similar to the complaints about the Si not having a 2.0L turbo, AWD etc. Yeah, then it would be $30k instead of $24k.

There are plenty of $45 to $90k performance cars, why do we need yet another one? Keep the Si at $24k and the Type R at $36k.

Honda gets it.
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This is similar to the complaints about the Si not having a 2.0L turbo, AWD etc. Yeah, then it would be $30k instead of $24k.

There are plenty of $45 to $90k performance cars, why do we need yet another one? Keep the Si at $24k and the Type R at $36k.

Honda gets it.
I'm not saying Honda to make a AWD Civic-R.. honestly at this point, I could care less about these cheap 4 seater hatchbacks. I'm telling them to make a updated version of the S2K, a proper 2 seater sports car.

Honda doesn't get it, it is taking the easy way out.
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I'm not saying Honda to make a AWD Civic-R.. honestly at this point, I could care less about these cheap 4 seater hatchbacks. I'm telling them to make a updated version of the S2K, a proper 2 seater sports car.

Honda doesn't get it, it is taking the easy way out.
Yeah, they do need to do that. Hopefully making the Civic fun again is a step in the right direction. I think there was a long gap where the high revving small four cylinders weren't competitive - now that they've gone turbo you could see another sports car. I'd rather they do a V6 but those seem to be getting rare too.
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I'm sure it's a marble of technology, great for the track, great for FWD fans.

Now make a RWD/AWD sports car instead of driving the wrong pair of wheels forcing it to do multiple-duty.
Or do it right like they used to.

A Type R should not have 300+ hp and a turbo.
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Or do it right like they used to.

A Type R should not have 300+ hp and a turbo.

My first car was a '00 Si, which ended up with a USDM Type R block (crate motor from Honda); I love an N/A Type R, but I also love my CTR boost and all.

I hate the fact they made this limited edition CTR yellow.

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Or do it right like they used to.

A Type R should not have 300+ hp and a turbo.
I'd love a normally aspirated Type R, but they'd sell a fraction of the numbers without the turbo.
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Or do it right like they used to.

A Type R should not have 300+ hp and a turbo.
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My first car was a '00 Si, which ended up with a USDM Type R block (crate motor from Honda); I love an N/A Type R, but I also love my CTR boost and all.
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I'd love a normally aspirated Type R, but they'd sell a fraction of the numbers without the turbo.
I would much prefer it being slower and having this K20A engine instead



Of course, shedding a bit of weight would help with the power deficit of a naturally aspirated power plant.

FD2 Muggen RR
240 HP @ 8,000 RPM
160 LB-FT @ 7,000 RPM
9,000 RPM redline
~2750 lbs

FK8 CTR Limited Edition
306 HP @ 6,500 RPM
295 LB-FT @ 2,500 - 4,500 RPM
7,000 RPM redline
~3070 lbs

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I would much prefer it being slower and having this K20A engine instead



Of course, shedding a bit of weight would help with the power deficit of a naturally aspirated power plant.

FD2 Muggen RR
240 HP @ 8,000 RPM
160 LB-FT @ 7,000 RPM
9,000 RPM redline
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FK8 CTR Limited Edition
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7,000 RPM redline
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Yeah, I would happily have signed on the line if we got the same motor as the Mugen RR - N/A and all.



I had an '06 RSX-Type S with all the bolt-ons and I've yet to experience another N/A Honda motor that felt as angry, all the time, as that one did.
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I thought Type R was the limited edition. They've created a limited edition of a limited edition.
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I thought Type R was the limited edition. They've created a limited edition of a limited edition.
They've sold around 40,000 units of the 10th Gen. That's a pretty poor limited edition.
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This isn't news if you have followed the Type R forums but how well these cars perform on a track is highly dependant of the track. This car needs long straight ways to avoid overheating in warm weather;

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

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However, in the low- to mid-80-degree temperatures at GingerMan, the Type R's engine temperature gauge quickly shot into the danger zone-and we could feel it noticeably lose power-while running a single hot lap with multiple cool-down runs in between. The car also flashed a check-engine light and went into limp mode, logging a P0087 fault code for low fuel-rail pressure. We suspect that bit came about because the fuel tank was getting low, and after clearing the code all was well again.
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We couldn't help but notice the Volkswagen Golf R and Ford Focus RS that were also at this track day weren't having the problems we were.
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This isn't news if you have followed the Type R forums but how well these cars perform on a track is highly dependant of the track. This car needs long straight ways to avoid overheating in warm weather;

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
The 2020 is supposedly better at staying cool, but how much better remains to be seen.
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The 2020 is supposedly better at staying cool, but how much better remains to be seen.
I can't imagine 13 mm of extra grille opening is going to reduce underhood temperature considerably but every little bit helps.
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I can't imagine 13 mm of extra grille opening is going to reduce underhood temperature considerably but every little bit helps.
I've heard that the radiator PN is different and it's supposedly improved somehow but I don' think anyone has physically compared the two versions.

You're right though - people with huge aftermarket radiators and cut up hoods still have problems controlling heat. It's clearly the one serious knock on the Type R.
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No much; it needs a bigger radiator from the start.
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If you haven't driven one, you're missing out. The praise behind it is fully earned. It's lighter, it's considerably faster than WRX/STi, absolute razer sharp steering and turn-in.

However..WHEELSPIN WHEELSPIN WHEELSPIN WHEELSPIN....all.the.time.

I was paralyzed with indecision on January between a 2020 Type R or a 2020 STi, because really the Honda is a really damn good car, is much faster, and doesn't have reliability concerns, I've driven them in warm weather on good summer tires and still had plenty of wheelspin, so I was worried if it would be miserable in fall-spring on cold pavement with all seasons.
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However..WHEELSPIN WHEELSPIN WHEELSPIN WHEELSPIN....all.the.time.
Yep. I got it to spin, stock. Then the same owner, modded and tuned, and I got torque steer to go along with the wheel spin.

You made the right decision. I’d take that archaic EJ over the CTR. Now if Honda puts the AWD system on my truck in that thing with torque vectoring rear half shafts, I’m interested. Their SH-AWD is outstanding. They need AWD and tone down the F&F looks and you’d have winner.

Let’s see what Subaru does next year. The killer is going to be the mfr who buys GKN’s Twinster and puts in on both axles. Whomever does that is going to have made the GOAT if the engine is decent. My RS was phenomenal handling. I’ve driven some very expensive cars and I can think of nothing that could keep up with the RS on a damp windy road. When the fronts torque vector as well, the thing will be glued to the road in any weather condition with proper tires. C’mon Subaru, your move!
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Koyo makes a larger capacity radiator for the CTR; that'd be step 1 for me (along with the usual brake fluid and brake pad swap).

https://jhpusa.com/products/koyo-alu...vic-type-r-fk8
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