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06-24-2010, 11:32 PM | #1 |
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I want a boat, but know nothing about them.
I'm looking for a boat for under ten grand and something a 1998 V6 Ford Exploder could haul (200-something hp/tq). Has to have a "cuddy hole" or whatever it's called where you can go down inside the boat and sit or sleep. I absolutely hate wood grain and anything beige from the 70's/80's. Otherwise, the year doesn't matter too much as long as the boat is kept up and I would prefer an onboard V8, or something with 200'ish horsepower, or whatever it takes to do about 40mph.
I've wanted a boat for awhile now, but never had anywhere to park it. Just today I found out we (govt employees) can store boats/cars on base for like $10 a month. Awesome. So am I asking for too much for too little?
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06-24-2010, 11:38 PM | #2 | |
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06-24-2010, 11:38 PM | #3 |
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Things I have learned from working in the marina world....
*Yamaha is hands down the best outboard manufacturer *Mercury is the worst manufacturer *Johnson/evinrude make good tough motors too for less than yamaha *Carolina skiffs are not good IMHO *Boston whalers are great boats and they last forever (The new hull designs suck though they got bought over by some other company) Grady white boats are good too. The only downside to BW is they are heavy boats. *Dont get a Inboard / Outboard *A boat is a lot of work and a lot of cash (Or a lot of cash if you pay someone for all of it) There is no getting around it, boats are hard work and a lot of cash *Did I mention boats are a lot of work and a lot of cash? Good luck with the shopping : ) And dont forget to put a fuel filter water separator on it when you get one. That ethanol is horrible for boats... -Dave Edit: For what its worth I saw you wanted to go 40 MPH, you dont need 200 HP for that. I had a 17' Boston whaler outrage 1991 hull with a 1998 johnson 90 HP motor, It went 46 MPH (clocked with a GPS) It was a great boat... I sold it this spring though : / |
06-24-2010, 11:43 PM | #4 |
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Why are they a lot of cash? Fuel? Are they all that unreliable?
I wouldn't really want a boat like yours.. mine would be used for hauling 4-6 people around, and skiing/tubing. |
06-24-2010, 11:43 PM | #5 |
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Boats make a nice hole in the water for you to dump money into.
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06-24-2010, 11:45 PM | #6 |
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06-24-2010, 11:51 PM | #7 |
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The best thing to do here, is to find a friend that already has a boat, and go out with him on his boat. This will save you more time and money than you can imagine.
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06-24-2010, 11:53 PM | #8 |
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I'll type a bit more...
If you know nothing about boats heres some general maintenance for them Spring time *Removing shrink wrap (Or tarp) *Replace all filters *Hook the boat up to the muffs and run it to clean out all the winterization chemicals in the engine *Clean the boat off, powerwash the bottom *Paint the hull *Charge the battery (It should be on a trickle charger all winter) Over the summer when its getting used... *Check on it after every storm, if your bilge pump gets clogged with something or burns itself out from getting a stuck float or malfunctioning chip the boat will fill up with water (Believe it or not this happens more often than you think) *Run it every so often to keep the battery charged with the motor because the bilge drains the battery *Cleaning *Gas and oil prices *Money for the boat slip (Apparently you are getting a deal with this) Fall *Pull the boat and store it on blocks, on a rack, wherever *Hook it up to the muffs and run witerization chemicals through it in the gasoline, after a few minutes fog it till it dies out *Change the lower unit oil (You do this in the fall rather than the spring because if you have a leak and see milky white oil then you have water in your lower unit, if you let it sit like that over winter it can crack your lower unit when it freezes *Remove the battery and place in on a trickle charger *Tarp up the boat, or shrink wrap it Dont forget insurance costs and the price of failures with the motor. And trust me...you will get problems with the motor. Salt water and metal were never meant to mix. Its a lot of work but its worth it to a lot of people. Just know what your getting yourself into. They say the best days of owning a boat are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. B.O.A.T. ^ Bust out another thousand : D -Dave |
06-24-2010, 11:55 PM | #9 | |
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They are that unreliable because they don't get used for long periods of time. A cuddy cabin and skiing/tubing do not require the same type of boat. I have had zero problems with mine so far - only had it since April. Dave is right, but it sounds like you will store it on the trailer and be in freshwater which makes things much simpler. When i pull mine out i pull the drain plug and put the cover on. |
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06-25-2010, 12:05 AM | #10 |
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Screw the V8.
Go green! Most new International Moths are all carbon fiber so... it's hard to damage! Plus the thrill of speed lasts much much longer. |
06-25-2010, 12:07 AM | #11 |
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Break Out Another Thousand...
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06-25-2010, 03:35 AM | #12 |
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If only we already had a thread on this.....
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06-25-2010, 05:12 AM | #13 |
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How much are you going to use the boat? usually it ends up cheaper to rent or lease them unless youre using them almost every weekend in the summer.
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06-25-2010, 06:36 AM | #14 |
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You need to learn a lot more.
Used I/O's can be had cheaply, because the drive unit is expensive to fix, they're heavy, and not usually as fast as the same boat with an outboard. So you've set a bunch of conflicting requirements. You aren't going to tow an inboard cuddy cabin boat with an Explorer easily. You can get one for less than $10K, because no one wants them. If it's for lake use, the dial tone is usually a 17-21' Center Console with an outboard. Forget the cuddy: it will be hot and stinky on a small boat, and about the smallest usable size is a 23 footer, out of your budget. Go to the local public launching ramp. Help people launch, ask questions, profit. |
06-25-2010, 07:50 AM | #15 | |
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I grew up around boats, and I'm not claiming to know much about them...but I learned at an early age that the saying "it's better to know someone with a boat than own a boat yourself" is very true. That being said, I loved boats, my family had boats when I was growing up and it was amazing for young kids. Great family activity, in the outdoors, learned responsibility...all that crap... OR it could just be like Uncle Buck |
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06-25-2010, 08:04 AM | #16 |
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We did the newbie boat thing about 6 years ago when I had large chunks of money heading my way.....(patent, employee referal hired, profit sharing, bonus).
I first took the Power Squadron 6 week boating course, which gave me essentially a license for any US state and territory. The US Coast Guard sometimes gives a similar course. (about $300) I then talked to a LOT of boaters. I came to the conclusion that if I wanted to go boating, I should buy a new boat. If I wanted to just work on the boat all the time, I should buy a used boat. I also learned that an 18 foot boat isn't an 18 foot boat. The 18 is a marketing tool. Also, the interior dimensions and layout can be vastly different from one maker to the next. I stuck with an all-fiberglas boat. Companies like Bayliner use a ton of cheap plywood and then cover it over with fiberglas. Plenty of free 10 year old Bayliners around because they're rotting in structural areas. Gen Mar companies are all fiberglas (Four Winns, Larson, Glastron etc). We bought a Four Winns Horizon 180 (17 feet 4 inches, 4 cyl engine, open bow). It would go 40 mph.....but that was about top end. After running it for 4 years, we realized that we really didn't use it and the marina where we bought and launched from (on Winnisquam, NH) rented the same boat for $250 a day. Way cheaper than our cost. From memory, here's what we were paying: Trailer registration yearly $39 Boat registration yearly (NH) $89 Exise tax for trailer yearly $10 Stuff we'd lose yearly (bumpers, lines) or get as extras (anchor) $50 yearly insurance yearly $300 Winiterizing (I did it myself) $100 We did not shrink wrap, but we have a huge garage. To shrink wrap a boat (you really need to do it if you're leaving it outside) $350-$500 for a small boat like mine. You also need something to tow the boat.....I had a racecar too, so won't add the cost of that. Boats also depreciate like crazy. We paid $15.5k for the boat and 4 years later sold it for $8k. It looked brand new when sold. We now have a canoe and kayak. We hardly ever use them, but only have $500 tied up in them and can ignore them year round. We live literally across the street from a lake. |
06-25-2010, 08:17 AM | #17 |
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06-25-2010, 08:48 AM | #18 |
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Everything about owning watercraft is a pain in the ass, it just is. Save yourself a lot of time and money, and just rent one when you get the urge to get out on the water. Unless you have the spare cash to throw at it, repeatedly, and plan to be on the water every weekend of summer, it's just not something you want to own. Trust.
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06-25-2010, 08:51 AM | #19 | |
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As for the OP, I don't see how it is possible for you to find a cuddy cabin boat and still be able to bring 5 or 6 people aboard. There just isn't much room and space gets cramped quickly unless you step up into really large boats. In the local trader magazine there is a 1996 Christ Craft Crowne 30 footer for $15k. Seems like an absolute steal. |
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06-25-2010, 08:55 AM | #20 | |
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06-25-2010, 09:10 AM | #21 |
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<---- has owned at least one boat almost my entire life. currently have a 17 ft sugar sand jet boat, 2 seadoo pwc's, and a 26 ft pontoon.
Anyway, 5 or 6 people in a cuddy, NOT going to happen. People forget that you tend to use boats in the heat of summer, and small boats with cuddies have no air conditioning. Most don't even have a fan, and only a little hatch to open. They are HOT. You need a bowrider if you want people capacity and watersports. with 6 people on board, you won't have enough room on deck, and nobody is going to want to be in the cuddy. Being in ohio, yeah, probably no salt water to deal with! Lots of the issues people mention above come from people leaving a boat in saltwater. If you trailer it, and its in fresh only, your issues go down drastically. center consoles... Every boat is a compromise, those are fishing boats first, everything else is secondary. For hauling people around and watersports, they suck. Yes they will do the job, but there are better choices. Find yourself a 18-20 ft or so bowrider with an outboard. Brands really make zero difference when buying a used boat, how it was cared for and general maintenance make ALL the difference. (Boats aren't cars, for a 10 year old boat don't even look at the brand, it is meaningless) Also, check out iboats. its the NASIOC of the boating world. |
06-25-2010, 09:42 AM | #22 | |
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06-25-2010, 09:49 AM | #23 |
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Something in the lines of the 1st and 2nd best times of boat ownership is the minute you buy it and the minute you sell it?
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06-25-2010, 10:41 AM | #24 |
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the two best days of a boat owner are the day you buy it and the day you sell it
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06-25-2010, 10:44 AM | #25 |
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I Should Buy A Boat!!!!
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