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Old 09-05-2003, 08:49 AM   #26
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Better is relative.......I personally like the STi better, which is why I bought one.
Yeah but did you check out the SRT-4 before you bought your STi?
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Old 09-05-2003, 09:07 AM   #27
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Yeah but did you check out the SRT-4 before you bought you STi?
I did.....its a little too much car for me.
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Old 09-05-2003, 11:42 AM   #28
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I find it hilarious how all the Evo owners cling to those magazine reviews because in the real world they know what happens when the STi goes up against them,

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Old 09-05-2003, 12:05 PM   #29
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What does "Goes up against them" mean? Puts a CD in the stereo, puts their feet on the floormats, opens the sunroof?





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Old 09-05-2003, 12:17 PM   #30
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It means -
- we lay down our 300 hp and 300 ft/lbs of torque
- adjust our DCCD
- change our oil and NOT have to use pure synthetic
- adjust our RPM indicator warning light and buzzer
- check out the outside air temperature
- set our cruise control
- adjust the height of our driver's seat
- turn our A/C on automatic
- while trying to see past our standard rear wing.

It is that enough or do I need to continue.
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Old 09-05-2003, 12:20 PM   #31
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I find it hilarious how all the Evo owners cling to those magazine reviews because in the real world they know what happens when the STi goes up against them,

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I hope you are not implying that I am an Evo owner
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Old 09-05-2003, 01:10 PM   #32
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It means -
- we lay down our 300 hp and 300 ft/lbs of torque
- adjust our DCCD
- change our oil and NOT have to use pure synthetic
- adjust our RPM indicator warning light and buzzer
- check out the outside air temperature
- set our cruise control
- adjust the height of our driver's seat
- turn our A/C on automatic
- while trying to see past our standard rear wing.

It is that enough or do I need to continue.
That's fine. Some of us appreciate both cars, and are happy to have a choice.
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Old 09-05-2003, 01:36 PM   #33
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That's fine. Some of us appreciate both cars, and are happy to have a choice.
That line is the Mitsu owners version of;
* "Everybody's beautiful, in their own way."
* "Johnny/Jane isn't slow, he's just needs help keeping up with the group."
* "Size doesn't matter."
* "She's not fat. She's Rubinesque."
* "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
* "Money isn't everything."
* "He/She has a lot of personality and is a great cook."
* "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
* "I don't like those big muscley guys anyway."
* "Maybe next time."
* "Yeah, well my Eclipse can make (fill in the blank) HP with just a few mods."
* "In America everyone is innocent until proven guilty."

Facts are facts.

On the streets and in real life the STi owns the EVO.
Unless you are Rod Millen, you can't talk trash about the EVO beating the STi anywhere. All else is magazine racing.
Oh, and yes you can mod the EVo to do this that and even transform into a helicopter with help from 'Monster Garage'. So what, that doesn't count as the same can be done to '64 Nash Rambler (and has been).

Heads up stock the STi will take an EVO with all but the worst start/driver.
Sorry to have be the one to say it but this picture is in black & white, not Kodachrome.

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Old 09-05-2003, 01:48 PM   #34
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Hmmmm, Janq, and I was enjoying your earlier posts. This:

On the streets and in real life the STi owns the EVO.

Puts you in a different light, and I'm sorry to hear your attitude on this.

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Old 09-05-2003, 02:00 PM   #35
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The STi and the EVO are both very capable cars. It more or less comes down to personal preference. I happen to believe that the STi is a much better car (as an ex-3000GT owner, I don't care too much for Mitsubishi). But, I can see how some people would prefer the EVO. I just don't want this forum to turn into the EVO forums that I have visited. My impression from the EVO forums is that there are a bunch of whiners on there trying to convince themselves that their car is better than the STi. STi owners - just KNOW that your car is "better" than the EVO. But, one person's definition of "better" may be different from yours. My 2 cents...
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Old 09-05-2003, 02:39 PM   #36
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I'm really sorry I brought up the whole EVO thing, it was all in fun but of course someone took it the wrong way. I was joking around because I know there will be no STi buy back and even if there was they would not be getting mine.

Having said that, I think this board is very open minded. Many of us considered the Evo before buying our STi and understand that they are both great cars and we are very lucky to have a choice.

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Old 09-05-2003, 03:13 PM   #37
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Hmmmm, Janq, and I was enjoying your earlier posts. This:

On the streets and in real life the STi owns the EVO.

Puts you in a different light, and I'm sorry to hear your attitude on this.

Ed
Sorry to disappoint MitSubEd...but this is a Subie forum and I am a fervent Subie fan and thems are the facts.

But hey, don't take it personally bud as my post wasn't meant to that way, and I still think you're cool even if you are down with DSM.

BTW, if you've been following my posts then you would know that I have an acid tongue and my responses toward the EVO almost always have a little competitive tongue in cheek humor to them.

EVO's are cool, just not as much as the STi.

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Old 09-05-2003, 03:53 PM   #38
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Old 09-05-2003, 06:21 PM   #39
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MitSubEd was Owned
Come on ha, you're gonna get me in more hot water than I'm already in.

BTW, MiTSubEd I'm not STi/Subie blind.
Check out my recent post (yesterday) in regard to the 'realities' of STi ownership; http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&goto=newpost

When the bloom of the rose wears off, you are left with both soft petals and thorns.

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P.S. The EVO has the best seats between the two and a better 'looking' wing design though I don't care for the naked carbon look.
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Old 09-05-2003, 06:32 PM   #40
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It's all good. Lord knows I've owned my share of Subies, and I welcome change. (My friends say I'm addicted to that new car smell).

One last note about the "twitchiness"... This is very noticeable when you first drive the car. It steers much more quickly than other models. It is also something that you quickly become accustomed to. I drove to Ohio and back (22 hours) and have no complaints (well, maybe one, you see Fishguy was my co-driver...).

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Old 09-06-2003, 10:17 AM   #41
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The Off-topic stuff:
I agree with Janq about the seats and that the wing looks better. I like the naked carbon. And unlike the STi, the wing is not nearly as much of a rear view mirror henderence. as far as the twitchiness. ...let's just say the car is very very responsive. It took me about 10 seconds of driving it to keep the thing in a straight line. I did get use to it though and found it to be a nice feature, but it could potentially be dangerous on the highway if you are not very use too it. Overall, I love the car's performance. BEst test drive ever. On a side note, I drove a 350Z for the first time yesterday all by my lonesome. Boy was the power pitiful compared to the EVo and STi. The rear window only shows up in about 30% of the rearview mirror. Blind spot everywhere! Body roll was minimal and emergency lane change was quick and controlled (unlike my Z28). I would never buy that car.

On topic:
Subaru will never do anything to fix a problem of their's voluntarily. They have to be sewd first. And even then, it will be a case-by-case basis. MAny of us are very familiar with the glass 1st and second gears and synchros in the WRX. This was in part do to the build of the trannies. Some cars could drop into first over 25mph (foot still on the clutch) effortlessly. Other's couldn't do it unless the car was at a near stop. Not only was there not a recall or a free fix, they sent out a memo to not warranty ANY gear damages. I couldn't believe that shytt. So far my STi has been great.
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Old 09-06-2003, 06:07 PM   #42
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Metoo,

The 350 Z is terrible. Period.

I'm sorry but as an old Dastun/Z fan from the B210 (an aunt had one) original Datsun Fairlady 240Z (my oldest aunt had one) to the 280 Z (another aunt had one too) all the way through the 'dark years' of the square 300Z with the Calty 'California Style' design up to the last of the good ol days with the Z-TT.
As a single digit youngster I fell in love with and lusted after them all.

But this latest 'incarnation' that they have released does not pick-up the torch in my mind. The real Z car is and should have been the Infiniti G35 Coupe while the real Maxima (another of my old favorites from the '80's square body up to the '4DSC' of yore) should have been either the G35 Sedan or the step-child 'M45'.
I'm not sure what Nissan is thinking but they really need to fire their product design consultant as he's mucking things up.

The 350 Z is a bad value, its neither fast nor exciting and is in fact mediocre (for a Z car) while its styling resembles a bull frog in prone position. Oh, and that ridiculously huge rear sway bar is a mistake. It reduces effective rear cargo room by nearly 50%. The interior trim is made from cheap & thin plastics while the cockpit is too claustrophobic for anyone of medium to tall stature or a waist over 36". I could go on ripping this thing but the bottom line is its a mess both inside and out.
Kudos' for the brilliant blue and copper paint schemes though as thats about the only thing about the car truly likeable.

The rest is a waste of time.
I'm very dissapointed as I really really really wanted to like this car. I'd hoped to continue the family tradition and pick one up myself. That won't be happening anytime soon.

With both Mazda & Nissan coming up short on their offerings to the gods of road and track, lets hope Toyota doesn't drop the ball and offers up the new Supra with a proper and heaping dose of honor & reverance for the days of old.

Currently the time honored mantle for common mans 'pocket rocket' has been handed off from the traditional players to the relative new jacks of the trade via the STi and EVO 8. Half brothers with the same daddy and different mama's.

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Old 09-06-2003, 06:41 PM   #43
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I read about the RX-8 situation when it first broke like everybody else... but was wondering?... when Mazda had this issue the first time, how did the initial buyback offer come to be? Was it just out of their desire to avoid getting sued, or were they actually sued prior? If in fact a bunch of STi's get reflashed due to the det issue and are significantly down on power, I'm sure if they got together a class action lawsuit there would be an offer of settlement/compensation, and who knows, maybe even a buyback. My STi hasn't had any pinging or det (running 94 from day 1, which is getting mighty pricey with this low mpg) but if it did and I needed to get the reflash and if the power was below what it was advertised, I'd want to be compensated. It's not an issue of being an a$$hole or overly litigious but I'd feel it's our duty to prevent manufacturers from using false and or misleading information to sell their products... because as we all know if we knowingly misrepresented a product or service we sold, we could and would get our butts handed to us in court.
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Old 09-06-2003, 06:50 PM   #44
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I wouldn't sell mine back,

But I would take the $500 and free maintenance they're offering instead. (Mazda)
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Old 09-06-2003, 08:24 PM   #45
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I wouldn't sell mine back,

But I would take the $500 and free maintenance they're offering instead. (Mazda)
Ditto.
I've ridden amd driven in my neighbors brand new RX-8 just a week ago and if it were me I'd sell it back as you can get the same stuff and more powere for the same buck with the G35 Coupe 6MT. Not to mentione there are power mods for that engine available today if you wanted it.

As for the STi if such an offer were to occur, which it won't, I would keep my car and take the $500 and free maint. without a second thought. This car is about a lot more than just HP & Torque. Besides its just too easy to gain back what might be lost via simple & cheap mods.

Not to mention that to date no confirmation has been made that the Subie reflash actually robs power. I've only seen a dyno run for one car with low power. I'd need to see ten or more examples of such before I'd begin to believe the hype.

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Old 09-06-2003, 09:28 PM   #46
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About the 350z. It is very similar comparatively, to the 240z in price and performance compared with other cars in the same period. I had one. Not nearly the most powerful car you could buy. A little more expensive than other sports cars. Fun to drive. A car that would last while the british and other import sports cars that compared with it just fell apart.

Once Nissan turbos that 3.5 motor, people's attitudes will change. A well designed 3.5 motor with 1 liter more displacement than the STI.

The 350 is disappointing for the same reason as the RX8. There's tons of hot competition for the same or less cost. There's hope though because of what can be done with that motor.

Will be interesting to see what Mazda does. I heard that the motor in that car has emission problems if turbo'd and also is somewhat weak too if blown.
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lol..


Quote:
Originally posted by Janq


That line is the Mitsu owners version of;
* "Everybody's beautiful, in their own way."
* "Johnny/Jane isn't slow, he's just needs help keeping up with the group."
* "Size doesn't matter."
* "She's not fat. She's Rubinesque."
* "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
* "Money isn't everything."
* "He/She has a lot of personality and is a great cook."
* "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
* "I don't like those big muscley guys anyway."
* "Maybe next time."
* "Yeah, well my Eclipse can make (fill in the blank) HP with just a few mods."
* "In America everyone is innocent until proven guilty."

Facts are facts.

On the streets and in real life the STi owns the EVO.
Unless you are Rod Millen, you can't talk trash about the EVO beating the STi anywhere. All else is magazine racing.
Oh, and yes you can mod the EVo to do this that and even transform into a helicopter with help from 'Monster Garage'. So what, that doesn't count as the same can be done to '64 Nash Rambler (and has been).

Heads up stock the STi will take an EVO with all but the worst start/driver.
Sorry to have be the one to say it but this picture is in black & white, not Kodachrome.

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