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Old 12-30-2008, 07:36 AM   #226
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I dont understand what FIA has done to make Subaru and other manufacturers leave Rally. Can someone answer this please. I dont think it is right to say F subaru when it may not be there fault.
What did FIA do to make Subaru withdraw from Rally?
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:39 AM   #227
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After reading this...why isnt rally followed more closely. I dont think ive ever seen a rally on cable tv. This sucks subaru is what makes the rally...a rally .

Because NASCAR bought out Speed channel. NASCAR can go F-themselves. I hate NASCAR, and America is ignorant for embracing it as the only form of autoracing....oh yes, and anything NHRA sanctioned.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:26 PM   #228
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So, basically what I take from this is that WRC sucks. It happens. And what we all REALLY need to do is start putting FAR more push, emphasis, etc. into Rally America.


I'm game. Where do I go for the t-shirts?



SUPPORT RALLY AMERICA!!!
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:57 AM   #229
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I'm going to go roll my subaru off a cliff... seems like the only way to preserve its honor. Anyone need takeoffs?
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:58 AM   #230
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Because NASCAR bought out Speed channel. NASCAR can go F-themselves. I hate NASCAR, and America is ignorant for embracing it as the only form of autoracing....oh yes, and anything NHRA sanctioned.
F1 wont even hold races in north america whatsoever, they dropped canada for next year. Our continent is over.




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I would point out that two sports car companies, Ferrari and Porsche, still carry on quite a bit of racing. An article, which is in Autoweek right now, talks about Porsche maintaining a profitable involvement in motorsports since their inception. How their involvement in motorsports could possibly be profitable, I have no clue, but subaru should study whatever they are doing and do it too. The article mentioned the sale of "race prepped" cars for privateer teams. If privateer teams can be successful in WRC, then I would be ok with subaru selling prepped cars to them. I do feel that it would be a lot less sexy than the years of proprietary research that Ferrari, McLaren, and Prodrive have done for the race teams they personally field.
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porsche pulled out of alms, following audi
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Old 01-03-2009, 03:22 PM   #231
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but you need to get over this. If you bought your Impreza (be it a WRX or STi) because of the WRC car then you are a twit. Anyone here remember that NASCAR came from "Stock Car" racing because you drove a stock vehicle? As has been pointed out, your STi or WRX was no closer to a WRC car than a Taurus was to Ford's NASCAR vehicle.
Ah dude You might be a johnny come lately to this but a WRX and STi were exactly that.

That NASCAR reference is BS as well.

The basic layout of a WRC subaru is very similar, the shells are the same basis, the engine is derived from the EJ20 - a LOT of common DNA.

NASCAR's are tube chassis fibreglass shells with stickers on them. Only the name is the same.

My first WRX (MY94) was exactly the same car as was racing. Grp A & N cars had to have a base car (the WRX) and a limited 5K version (the STi) to qualify.

WRC "kit" cars that came in 98 were to allow other manufacturers in but the GT4, the EVO, the WRX all had there roots in rally.

The different with SWRT WRC cars now is not having to homogolate the same as before but a LOT from the WRC cars flows down to Grp N.
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Old 01-03-2009, 04:29 PM   #232
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F1 wont even hold races in north america whatsoever, they dropped canada for next year. Our continent is over.


Wow seems like race car racing is just going to ***** to begin with. All these big names dropping out from all the races, and now its not even going to advertised or televised.

What is wrong with America? First our dollar and economy, and now racing........

At least I get to fight in wars for this.
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:22 PM   #233
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F1 wont even hold races in north america whatsoever, they dropped canada for next year. Our continent is over.

porsche pulled out of alms, following audi
ouch. that IS bad news.

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Old 01-03-2009, 06:28 PM   #234
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I dont understand what FIA has done to make Subaru and other manufacturers leave Rally. Can someone answer this please. I dont think it is right to say F subaru when it may not be there fault.
What did FIA do to make Subaru withdraw from Rally?
FIA has created rules that go into effect in 2010 that require a specific drivetrain, making it nearly impossible for subaru to use their trademark "boxer" engine. At least, this is my understanding. But people are mostly putting words in subaru's mouth since subaru's official line is for "cost-cutting reasons". Either way, I wouldn't blame subaru. The market certainly is affecting everyone, and FIA doesn't have the best reputation for doing what the fans and manufacturers want.

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Old 01-04-2009, 08:16 PM   #235
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FIA has created rules that go into effect in 2010 that require a specific drivetrain, making it nearly impossible for subaru to use their trademark "boxer" engine. At least, this is my understanding. But people are mostly putting words in subaru's mouth since subaru's official line is for "cost-cutting reasons". Either way, I wouldn't blame subaru. The market certainly is affecting everyone, and FIA doesn't have the best reputation for doing what the fans and manufacturers want.

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So basically if they say everyone has to run a 2.0 I-4 than th ats what everyone has to do? And thats how they're F-ing over Subaru?

If thats the case than why dont they just say everyone has to run in the same darn car and wear the same uniforms....

I will be so pissed if Subaru takes away the boxer to conform to FIA regulations......That boxer is the 1 of 2 reasons I buy Subaru's, and if they loose it than they'll be no better off than 1/2 of the manufacture'ers already having AWD (the second reason).

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Old 01-04-2009, 08:46 PM   #236
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So basically if they say everyone has to run a 2.0 I-4 than th ats what everyone has to do? And thats how they're F-ing over Subaru?

If thats the case than why dont they just say everyone has to run in the same darn car and wear the same uniforms....

I will be so pissed if Subaru takes away the boxer to conform to FIA regulations......That boxer is the 1 of 2 reasons I buy Subaru's, and if they loose it than they'll be no better off than 1/2 of the manufacture'ers already having AWD (the second reason).

FIA
It does kinda make a joke of the manufacturer's title if the engine and gearbox are a spec unit.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:37 PM   #237
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Obviously this has occured for purely financial reasons,But what has given us all these great cars like the WRX and EVO lancers is a production based formula.
The FIA have been stuffing around with rules for years with vested interests behind most changes,anyone remember the BMC Cooper S and the Fiasco of illegal headlights at Monte Carlo in 1965,in this case the French didn't want the English to win so played games.
How did the French seem to take over all the governing bodies of sport worldwide Motor sport is the FIA Bikes are the FIM Soccer etc all run out of France this I see as more of an issue than a probably temporary withdrawal from motor sport of manufacturers and we need production based Motor sport for better cars to drive in the future
Here in Australia we can thank the UN rules adopted by prime Minister Keating for taking away control of the Australian touring car championship from CAMS the FIA affilliated body.Specifically the anti monopoly area
The V8 Supercars replaced it,which now consists of only GM and Ford what a joke poor gate attendence etc,only healthy club motorsport and track days have allowed race tracks to survive this shortsighted and anti competitive practice.When all makes were allowed to compete you had a wider base of people trackside now the numbers are dropping which threatens Race track financial Viability, same thing happening with Rally now. remember use it or lose it this is not a good scenario for that reason.
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Old 01-30-2010, 09:17 PM   #238
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and we loose ken . . . =(
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:03 PM   #239
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Of course, someone had to mention Ken Block.
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:02 PM   #240
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I'd be willing to bet that between t-shirts and subarus, Ken block made more money for subaru than any other man alive or dead.

Not saying I'm happy about it.. but the flatbills sure are.
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:39 AM   #241
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I'd be willing to bet that between t-shirts and subarus, Ken block made more money for subaru than any other man alive or dead.

Not saying I'm happy about it.. but the flatbills sure are.
colin McRae? noooo he didnt sell anything....

The scene was always there, it just recently became THE scene.
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Old 06-18-2010, 06:36 AM   #242
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^ Exactly. Ken just got all the kids into it.
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:56 PM   #243
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yeah, he also got a lot of dumb @sses into it as well...
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:36 PM   #244
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yeah, he also got a lot of dumb @sses into it as well...
Dumbasses spend money emotionally and / or irrationally. MFRs want these kind of people interested in their products.
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