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Old 04-16-2021, 08:07 PM   #76
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This thread went full derp.

Explorer ST:
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60-0: 114 ft
lateral accel: 0.85g

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60-0: 110 ft
lateral accel: 0.92g

So, better turning. No brainer. But really, how many people are driving around and pulling 0.92g's out of their wrx on the streets? And lets not forget the difference in tires. Honestly, driven at max, the explorer st will probably outrun an average wrx driver.

y'all are nuts to discount vehicles like this just because of their size. You seem to forget that while added weight does hurt in "feel", that added weight gives additional grip because available friction is based on how much something weighs...

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Old 04-16-2021, 08:16 PM   #77
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The driving dynamics of every generation wrx of sti has been total **** compared to a proper sports car. The camber curve is terrible. The weight distribution is terrible. The engine is 100% in front of the axle line. It's a ridiculous platform and it's much more compromised than a car with a properly designed platform but a three inch higher COG.

This is an incredibly stupid hill you chose to die on but that's your choice.

They are still superior to FWD based VW products. Speaking from first hand experience.
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Old 04-16-2021, 08:24 PM   #78
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I wonder what the take rate on the ST is, because it seems like most of the new Explorers I see around here are the ST trim.
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Old 04-16-2021, 09:54 PM   #79
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This thread went full derp.

Explorer ST:
0-60: 5.3s
60-0: 114 ft
lateral accel: 0.85g

wrx:
0-60: 5.6s
60-0: 110 ft
lateral accel: 0.92g

So, better turning. No brainer. But really, how many people are driving around and pulling 0.92g's out of their wrx on the streets? And lets not forget the difference in tires. Honestly, driven at max, the explorer st will probably outrun an average wrx driver.

y'all are nuts to discount vehicles like this just because of their size. You seem to forget that while added weight does hurt in "feel", that added weight gives additional grip because available friction is based on how much something weighs...
i discount it because it's a ford explorer and the SQ5 and X3 m40i exist.
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Old 04-17-2021, 01:16 PM   #80
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i discount it because it's a ford explorer and the SQ5 and X3 m40i exist.
Ford Explorer ST has 3 row seating. While sure, on a pure performance basis I too would take the X3 M40i but for some, 3 rows / extra cargo area might be wanted / necessary.


Just for the hell of it, I went and built an Explorer ST and X3 M40i. Pricing on the St came to $57.4k, the X3 M40i came to $60.5k. Not a big difference in pricing so call it close to the same. I'd be willing to bet you could pick up a Ford ST for $7k off if you shop around or wait for sales / incentives. The X3 M40i seem to sell really well so not sure on what discounting you could get but i've seen some get 7-10% off MSRP.


I could reasonably see myself owning a Ford Explorer ST as the cargo area is large enough to hold all my medical equipment where as the X30 M40i would not cut it. That said, I still prefer the utility of my truck.

I think the Explorer ST has some appeal to certain families over the X3 M40i for those that might have several kids who play sports, throwing all the equipment in the back and being able to pick up another kid or two for practice and games. Having the extra cabin space for throwing whatever in the back is nice and does come in handy more than most might think.

That said, if the extra cargo space was not needed, I would X3 M40i all day. I would bet that the X3 M40i does have a worse deprecation factor than the ST though, could be wrong.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:36 PM   #81
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Ford Explorer ST has 3 row seating. While sure, on a pure performance basis I too would take the X3 M40i but for some, 3 rows / extra cargo area might be wanted / necessary.


Just for the hell of it, I went and built an Explorer ST and X3 M40i. Pricing on the St came to $57.4k, the X3 M40i came to $60.5k. Not a big difference in pricing so call it close to the same. I'd be willing to bet you could pick up a Ford ST for $7k off if you shop around or wait for sales / incentives. The X3 M40i seem to sell really well so not sure on what discounting you could get but i've seen some get 7-10% off MSRP.


I could reasonably see myself owning a Ford Explorer ST as the cargo area is large enough to hold all my medical equipment where as the X30 M40i would not cut it. That said, I still prefer the utility of my truck.

I think the Explorer ST has some appeal to certain families over the X3 M40i for those that might have several kids who play sports, throwing all the equipment in the back and being able to pick up another kid or two for practice and games. Having the extra cabin space for throwing whatever in the back is nice and does come in handy more than most might think.

That said, if the extra cargo space was not needed, I would X3 M40i all day. I would bet that the X3 M40i does have a worse deprecation factor than the ST though, could be wrong.
The sticker on ours was $56k and I paid $47k @ 0%.
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Old 04-17-2021, 05:03 PM   #82
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The sticker on ours was $56k and I paid $47k @ 0%.
Nice score. That’s one hell of a deal and I certainly couldn’t pass that up.
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Old 04-18-2021, 09:36 AM   #83
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The sticker on ours was $56k and I paid $47k @ 0%.
How has it been for you? I know the rollout was .....not the best. Wondering if they have things under control now.
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Old 04-18-2021, 02:31 PM   #84
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Nice score. That's one hell of a deal and I certainly couldn't pass that up.
My exact thought. I had almost $10k in my 18' raptor, so I made the deal and ordered an Sti a few months later.

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How has it been for you? I know the rollout was .....not the best. Wondering if they have things under control now.
It's been great. She just 7k miles with it. My only complaint is with Ford's MyPass app, or whatever it's called. She'd lock her keys in it at work (without setting up the keyless entry on door). They had some technical issues a couple months ago, thus resulting in her being locked out for a few hours. These ST's are impressive. Plenty of power in stock format, great brakes, and they handle well, aside from some slight oversteer.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:06 PM   #85
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My exact thought. I had almost $10k in my 18' raptor, so I made the deal and ordered an Sti a few months later.



It's been great. She just 7k miles with it. My only complaint is with Ford's MyPass app, or whatever it's called. She'd lock her keys in it at work (without setting up the keyless entry on door). They had some technical issues a couple months ago, thus resulting in her being locked out for a few hours. These ST's are impressive. Plenty of power in stock format, great brakes, and they handle well, aside from some slight oversteer.
You know you want to slap a stage 1 tune on it.
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Old 04-19-2021, 11:20 AM   #86
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That weight comment and grip is very misleading. Frictional force does equal Ff = normal force times some
Coefficient of friction. However the extra mass laterally will easily overpower the tires as that frictional force also adds heat which ultimately reduces your friction factor


Getting friction force high is good for traction but adding weight to get it is a misnomer.
There is a lot going on with tires once you get close to max friction force. Static physics gets thrown out the window. But you're right, we all know that racers ice their tires before every race...
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Old 04-19-2021, 01:58 PM   #87
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There is a lot going on with tires once you get close to max friction force. Static physics gets thrown out the window. But you're right, we all know that racers ice their tires before every race...
LOL.. you know I knew you may push back on that. All tires have an optimum heat range, get over that though and Ff goes to practically zero.
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Ford Explorer Remains Quickest Police Car Sold Today, for Now

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CORRECTION 10/15/21: The Ford Mustang Mach-E GT police prototype the Michigan State Police tested lost 30 percent of its charge after 18 laps, instead of to 30 percent battery, as originally reported.

Welcome to the United States, where the 301-hp V-6 Toyota Camry thrives and a 470-hp Jeep Wrangler on 35-inch mud-terrain tires reaches 60 mph quicker than a Ford Mustang Mach 1. It's all screaming bald eagles until one ends up stolen, racing, and weaving between traffic like a drunken three-ton bowling ball. Sure, helicopters are fast, but somebody's got to meet ol' Breaky McLawLaw when their crime spree comes to a crashing halt. So what's the best car for the job?
Although the law enforcement profession is far more dynamic than just high-speed emergency responses, many departments require their vehicles to meet what's called a "purchasing spec." Vehicles must meet certain requirements to be eligible for patrol but still have enough performance to be effective when responding to more dangerous situations.

The Michigan State Police (MSP) have published their preliminary results from their police vehicle testing at Grattan Raceway in southwestern Michigan. MSP troopers put four motorcycles and 11 vehicles through a series of track tests including acceleration, top speed, distance to top speed, braking, and lap times to make performance comparisons to help municipal, county, and state police departments in all 50 states decide on what fits their needs the best.
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The all-wheel-drive 2022 Ford Police Interceptor Utility (FPIU), with its 400-hp twin-turbo 3.0-liter V-6, remains the quickest police vehicle sold today, getting to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds and 100 mph in 13.5 seconds during MSP testing. It reached its top speed of 148 mph (also the highest of the vehicles tested) in 1.6 miles. Although that's not as quick as the Wrangler 392, its 36-mph deficit in top speed would allow the Explorer to catch up to it. The EcoBoost FPIU was also 0.7 second quicker to 60 mph and 0.6 second quicker to 100 mph than the 380-hp Dodge Charger Pursuit rear-wheel-drive V-8 sedan.

The rear-drive V-8 Charger Pursuit hit its top speed of 139 mph in under a mile, the shortest of any vehicle tested this year. Although not stated in this year's preliminary results, last year's Charger Pursuit also posted the best turning radius, which is often a major first part of responding to an emergency.
The MSP also got their hands on a Ford Mach-E police prototype vehicle.

According to the MSP, this police version has all-wheel drive and 480 horsepower, so it's basically the Ford Mach-E GT with red and blue lights. It reached 60 mph in 4.0 seconds and hit 100 mph in 11.9 seconds. Ford says the street version should hit 60 mph in 3.5 seconds, but it's safe to assume the police-going version's slower acceleration is due to added equipment. It took more than two miles for it to reach its top speed of 124 mph. The more civilized 346-hp all-wheel-drive Mach-E 4 we tested did the 60-mph leap in 5.1 seconds.
The MSP told us that after 18 miles of lapping the Mach-E GT's battery had dropped by 30 percent, which they said is a good start for electric vehicles. But today's infrastructure still needs a boost in chargers and charging time for EVs to act as a complete replacement for patrol duty. The MSP also told us that many of their new Ford Explorer FPIUs are the 318-hp hybrid versions, which get the highest EPA-estimated city fuel economy among this year's police vehicles tested at 24 mpg.

The Ford F-150 Police Responder pickup reached 60 mph in 5.8 seconds and 100 mph in 14.3 seconds. That's still slower than the quickest pickups we've tested, including the last-gen F-150 with the high-output 450-hp twin-turbo V-6, but the trucks we test don't have push bars on the front. Unlike the Explorer FPIU, the F-150 Responder has a 400-hp 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 with 500 pound-feet of torque. It reached its 120-mph top speed in a little over a half a mile. That's a big improvement over the 370-hp F-150 Police Responder offered last year: that one had a lower top speed of 105 mph and took 6.6 seconds to reach 60 mph.

The MSP also told us they expect more fully electric police vehicles next year, as more automakers continue to focus their efforts on a battery-powered future. A more in-depth look at the MSP's testing data will become available later this month.
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