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04-13-2021, 01:28 PM | #26 |
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Can't afford two cars but you can afford one $60k+ car?
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04-13-2021, 01:34 PM | #27 | ||||||
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I'm definitely not missing the point, I'm just more of a black and white kinda guy. if I have to compromise too much on something, I just give up and let the other side win outright. In this case, if I absolutely HAVE to have an SUV and I cannot swing any other vehicle, I'm not gonna even TRY to make it fun. I'm going to accept my boring assed pathetic life as reality and relegate myself to what I am and what my life dictates quietly. Don't struggle against what you can't fight, y0.
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04-13-2021, 01:48 PM | #28 |
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I prefer a fast SUV to a fast luxobarge sedan.
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04-13-2021, 01:55 PM | #29 |
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I sure hope all the people who don't "get" sporty SUVs also don't "get" the WRX and STI since they're both similarly compromised (though in different ways) to a real sports car.
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04-13-2021, 02:18 PM | #30 | |
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If these things were better performance value propositions than actual performance offerings, that would be another discussion altogether. However, that is not the case. The WRXs and evos of old were appealing because they could keep up with more expensive dedicated cars (looking at you, e46 m3, s2000, etc). What they lacked in purity, they made up for in $/performance metrics. |
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04-13-2021, 02:33 PM | #31 |
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The driving dynamics of every generation wrx of sti has been total **** compared to a proper sports car. The camber curve is terrible. The weight distribution is terrible. The engine is 100% in front of the axle line. It’s a ridiculous platform and it’s much more compromised than a car with a properly designed platform but a three inch higher COG.
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04-13-2021, 02:33 PM | #32 |
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We're not even talking about "real" sports cars. We're talking about performance cars derived from econoboxes. The compromise for getting a sporty SUV is that it'll handle like an SUV, but cost significantly more than it's non-sport variant. At that price just buy a nicer SUV that you can live with, OR, buy a base model SUV and get a relatively fun and affordable used sports car (like a Miata or one of the Twins).
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04-13-2021, 02:37 PM | #33 | |
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Well it certainly doesn't handle like an s2000 And I bet it doesn't handle like my evo, either. The cayenne and srt8 sure didn't feel that stiff and low. Quote:
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04-13-2021, 02:46 PM | #35 | |
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04-13-2021, 02:54 PM | #36 | |
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04-13-2021, 06:44 PM | #37 |
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A conversation about good handling vehicles, and all the vehicles mentioned weigh 3000lbs or more.
Gimme a break guys. Go drive something actually known for handling like a 7, Europa, Spitfire, X19 or Elan. Any one of those or similarly weighted, low slung cars from the 60's and 70's will eat a Miata's lunch for handling. I'd rather own a $2,000 ****box little British car, and a Honda Odyssey than any of the Multi purpose vehicles being tossed around in this thread. |
04-13-2021, 07:07 PM | #38 | |
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04-13-2021, 07:18 PM | #39 | |
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Yeah that was my point. We aren’t talking about entry level vehicles so that argument about 2 cars is pretty stupid. I’d buy a slightly used minivan and a BRZ before having a testicle or both removed. This is bad when enthusiasts have been suckered into the SUV/CUV bs. It spells the end, at least for anything affordable. These are definitely the last days of disco. Definitely my last round of musical chairs. After these next FMC’s, gonna be nothing but CUV/SUV/Truck/EV. Manuals = the dodo. |
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04-13-2021, 07:26 PM | #40 |
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Pre, I hope you are wrong. You certainly capture the trend though, if it were not for the coming of electric cars I would be certain. However I do remember the example of the convertible, there were almost none left at one point and then people decided they wanted them. Not quite the same as a manual is a skill but I think there is a chance it will hang on a niche segment offering. It is not like they have to invent new technology. We will see what happens with manuals, I think a few will hang on. I will give you an example Porsche was moving away from them and found they needed to hang in there and keep them. On the other hand Ferrari has eliminated them. if you are enough of a curmudgeon though you can always find an old manual rotting in a barn that no one knows how to drive any more but you. Imagine how great that would be in 20 years and all the amazing cars the likes of you and I could find bargains on because no one knows how to drive a manual anymore.
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04-14-2021, 01:39 AM | #41 |
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04-14-2021, 02:48 AM | #42 | |
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It's not SUVs I dislike, I dislike needlessly driven large heavy vehicles. If you really need a do it all vehicle you should be in a Minivan. Fits more people than an SUV, Hauls more sheet rock than a pickup, drives like a car. The only feasible reason I can see for an extreme "performance" SUV is that maybe there is a little insecurity involved and you would like people to know that yes, the wife is in fact slinging around a 10 inch schlong under her skirt. |
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04-14-2021, 10:16 AM | #43 | |
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Performance is more defined in the SUV segment. |
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04-14-2021, 10:36 AM | #44 |
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I started reading this and had to laugh. I once thought like both sides of this argument and have argued feverishly to defend both positions. Now I just do not give a crap what somebody else drives and encourage everybody to buy what makes them smile and enjoy life.
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04-14-2021, 12:12 PM | #45 |
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Unfortunately I'm not rich like whiteout, so me getting what I want out of a car directly depends on it being mass produced, which directly depends on it being popular amongst the masses. Ergo, everyone needs to love what I love for me to get happiness, so here I am trying to convince all these would-be performance SUV buyers to reconsider.
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04-14-2021, 12:21 PM | #46 | |
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If you value performance over all else, don't put yourself in a position where compromises must be made. While trends of vehicles to become big fat heavy things is real, it's not new. As is the mini van vs suv argument. Here, this is my current favorite car. Why is it my favorite car? I hate big fat heavy cars: Quote:
Since these arguments are all grievances using apples and oranges, perhaps start a thread in OT. Meanwhile, this Exploder ST is checking a lot of boxes for the existentially compromised. |
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04-14-2021, 03:04 PM | #48 | |
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04-15-2021, 03:36 AM | #49 |
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04-15-2021, 10:10 AM | #50 |
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LOLOL at the people who think they have any right to tell others what they NEED to drive.
The unmitigated Hubris of it all is staggering. |
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