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02-08-2021, 02:11 PM | #551 | |
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I daily the BRZ (almost 3 years now). the wife hates riding in it though, especially since she got the Forester, she feels it's too low to the ground. so I only get to drive the BRZ when I am commuting.
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02-08-2021, 06:13 PM | #552 |
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Daily driver is a different story, but the BRZ/FRS/86 has turned into one of the few cars that can be used every day getting good mileage and fitting plenty of cargo while still being a real 2 door sports car. That combined with the fact they are so commonly used for track and autocross use, they are really holding value well.
Miata's are holding value well lately too, hard to find NC's under $10k let alone ND's. But they are less likely to be dailies or "only" cars. |
02-12-2021, 06:25 AM | #553 | |
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02-12-2021, 02:45 PM | #554 | |
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And I've no interested in that one after seeing what the improvements on the new one. |
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02-28-2021, 11:35 AM | #555 | |
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Discussion: Diminishing Market for Performance + Utility Vehicles?
According to this article they make it seem as if Subaru is justifying not offering a performance vehicle that isn't lifted or isn't a coupe.
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I know a lot of us loved Subaru because at one point you could have a turbo Boxer with a manual and 5 doors (or truck bed in the Baja's case). But those days are gone and nothing has really replaced them. Most of us have talked about having two vehicles, but only because it seems as though we're being forced to not have an all-in-one like things used to be. |
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02-28-2021, 11:56 AM | #556 | |
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Subaru making the WRX a slightly smaller Legacy moot that premise anyway. Looking at sales between the BRZ and WRX/STI, not sure what autoguide is remotely talking about. Fantasy Subaru? |
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02-28-2021, 03:48 PM | #557 | |
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Mathematically, or financially it worked out for me to have multiple vehicles. One donkey, the DD, low cost, compact, fuel efficient commuter to do all the mundane driving in. Having owned some nice cars, IMO, commuting in bumper to bumper in Honda Fit or a Ferrari is no different, the driving just flat out sucks. Your expensive sports car or performance car costs so much now it doesn’t make any sense to drive that every day. Buy an Impreza, a Civic, a Fit, Corolla, something cheap, fuel efficient, and reliable. Rack the F out of the miles on that thing. Then your expensive car or truck, will last you 3X, 4X or 5X as long. Swap the cheap thing out every 5-7 years when the miles are high. Don’t swap out the thing that is 30k, 40k, 50k, etc. Keep that mf’er for 10, 15 or 20 years. The math checks out. Plus you have redundancy so your life doesn’t skip a beat. You are heading to work, your DD won’t start or has a problem. No big deal. Grab the fob to the weekender and you won’t even be late to work. Don’t need to rent a car, or deal with drama. Just have the DD fixed and you don’t skip a beat. What has changed is people want one vehicle to do EVERYTHING. Well for many enthusiasts that is never going to work. You’ll get big compromises there. I would love to have a M2C, and I prefer to buy brand new. I can afford to go to BMW tomorrow and buy one. But it would be my only car. I ask myself, you want daily something like that? Or would you want to keep it long term and make it my Gran Torino like the muscle guys did decades ago? Having a truck or wagon or something to drive every day while their Chevelle or tricked out Charger sits pristine in the garage to drive on the weekends, all sparking clean and underneath a car cover. Me, I’d rather have multiple vehicles that cost less, that do different things and functions than one vehicle. I’m going to end up with 3. A super efficient compact DD hatch. A compact truck. And a performance/sports vehicle. It takes patience, dedication but neither my truck nor my DD has a ton of miles on them because the mileage is split. Truck will last 20 years. DD, 10-15, and my performance car (new BRZ, STI, or rumored hot hatch from Booby/Toyo) will last me the rest of my life. If you cut out new-new, you can have a whole fleet. I realized this in 2009. Now I have 6 vehicles and about to add a 7th. One at a time. |
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02-28-2021, 08:25 PM | #558 | |
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02-28-2021, 09:43 PM | #559 |
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A WRX sedan serves 99% of my needs. If I need something else it is rare, I don't have an option of owning multiple vehicles for multiple purposes. It will be interesting to see what the 2022 comes with, I suspect it looks a lot like the photos we saw coming out of Japan, with a subtle revision to the Impreza interior. The Levorg probably shows us most of what the interior is. I am betting the drivetrain for the standard WRX is not much different from the current one. Does the STI get 400 hp I doubt it. I was just looking at what it took Subaru to do the limited edition S209. That being the case and limited budget, I don't think we see 400 hp unless it is a special edition car.
What I don't like about the current WRX indicators out of Japan is that it just looks like they added some wider wheel arches, it does not look like they changed the four corners of the car like the current WRX. It looks a lot to me like they have a new front and rear end with fender flares on the stock body panels. What will be a decider for me is now power but, driving feel, shifter feel, steering feel, those connecting points. If it has 270 hp and has a good smooth power delivery I am fine with that, but it needs to connect emotionally and feel wise to the road. If it does not not, I like my current WRX really well in those regards. |
03-01-2021, 04:10 AM | #560 | |
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I get your deal. I’d be in a WRX then. Lower cost, still got performance, AWD, etc. I just want to see another body style option. |
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03-01-2021, 08:10 AM | #561 |
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We have a two car garage, but it’s tight and if there’s a car in the driveway it’s a pain to maneuver out, plus the in laws are always visiting and parking (badly) in the driveway. We’re thinking of buying a vacation home in New Hampshire and then I could park a sports car there for weekends, that’d be awesome.
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03-24-2021, 12:29 PM | #562 |
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Toyota seems to be delaying the release of the gr86 to differentiate its characteristics from the brz. they don't want it to be a carbon copy of the brz. there are also rumors suggesting a GRMN 86 coming out after the initial release of the 86. what will that mean for the brz and the possible ts and STI variants. toyota maybe underestimating what subaru may be willing to do to the brz if toyota forces their hand. Subaru has tuners too
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03-24-2021, 12:48 PM | #563 |
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Create sibling rivalry. They did that with the Supra / Z4 but those were different demographics.
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03-24-2021, 05:33 PM | #564 | |
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03-24-2021, 06:45 PM | #565 | |
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03-24-2021, 07:57 PM | #566 |
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03-24-2021, 08:13 PM | #567 |
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I just don't see the "risk". The biggest risk they took was releasing the car at all and fortunately it worked out for them. So it's fine if they want to stagger the higher production 86 six months or so apart from the limited production BRZ.
The BRZ was never meant to be the bread winner. Had the 86 not done so well then the BRZ would've been axed right away, with the 86 following soon after. Subaru was fine with making it a limited production run. So they're also fine with debuting it and selling it sooner since it'll stand as more of a preview of things to come. I believe the same happened with the BMW Z4 and the Toyota Supra. |
03-25-2021, 03:24 AM | #568 | |
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I think the new BRZ looks tattays and there isn’t much Toyota can do to it without spending big $ Different bumper, headlights/tail lights, that’s about it. And different options. Subaru builds the f’er and it’s their engine so I don’t know why anyone would wait, unless it’s to see if Toyo releases a trim with a performance pack. |
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03-25-2021, 07:20 AM | #569 |
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If Toyota wants their 86 to appear to be more "fun" then they could make it more tail-happy and add a louder exhaust. And offer more fun colors, as they tend to do anyway.
Maybe they could reinforce the chassis on the sides, specifically the doors, since they'll be getting wrapped around poles and trees. |
03-25-2021, 09:43 AM | #570 |
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03-25-2021, 10:57 AM | #571 | |
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That's not a massive difference. Toyota also sells more AT versions than Subaru (per 2018 numbers).
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03-25-2021, 11:34 AM | #572 |
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Definitely bouncier springs. TRD exhaust was on different, limited edition models. I guess I was thinking that they could make that stuff standard. Like TRD-style exhausts fur errbody.
But, as mentioned, even different taillights would be good. Make them look different from the back. Possibly different trunks too? Seems a bit extra to me, but it's Toyota's money. |
03-25-2021, 02:04 PM | #573 |
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I can't wait to see the BRZ in person. IMO it looks great in photos.
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03-25-2021, 02:49 PM | #575 |
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The US sales have been more easily balanced since 2018. (10k vs 8.5k).
Total volume is a different story. Since 2012, sales were 78k Toyota vs 42k Subaru. |
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