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11-03-2020, 12:37 AM | #2026 |
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Hi currently have 2018 Wrx base
Searched everywhere but haven’t found much on h&r rss club sport coilovers as far as ride quality. Any input appreciated
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11-03-2020, 12:00 PM | #2027 | |
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I've had them on a 2013 Golf R, so take that for what it is. The stock spring rates bent both of my lower control arms in the rear and the driver side toe arm. Had to replace all of them. They were also terrible to drive on daily. I talked with an engineer at H&R later and he intoned that I made the wrong decision for a car that would be driving on the street more than 50% of the time. The RSS is really for driving to and from the track, that's it. If you're not running massively sticky 200tw tires, r-comps, or competing with your car, and you don't already have the rest of your suspension setup with stronger bushings and arms, I'd recommend looking elsewhere. The RSS is hard-core at the expense of all else. To further my tale of sadness, I spent $1500 plus the $500 for the H&R camber plates and when I took them off they had less than 4000 miles on them. Someone building a dedicated track car dug up my for sale post on the Vortex a year after I posted it, and purchased them from me for less than half I had invested. But I'm not bitter... at all. |
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11-03-2020, 12:51 PM | #2028 |
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Damn
Thanks for the input but from what I was able to find on them they are pretty much bilstein internals , inverted forks with internal bump stops with very stiff springs. That being said I was actually looking at fortune autos 500 , previously had kw v1 on my Mazda speed 3 didn’t really like the kw’s But the reason I ask about the h&r is that tire rack has a crazy sale $ on them right now. So I was thinking of taking a chance on them since they basically seem to be bilstein parts . But thanks again for your input. |
11-03-2020, 01:34 PM | #2029 |
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Well you've hit on the one thing that's really nice about the H&R setup. They are absolutely Bilstein dampers. So if they don't work for you, they can be adjusted. I just caution you that the RSS might need to be revalved to be something other than the most aggressive setup for the dollar.
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11-03-2020, 01:38 PM | #2030 |
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Yes sir just contacted fatcat motorsports to see about spring and revalving options to see what they say .
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11-03-2020, 01:40 PM | #2031 |
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I just saw the pricing on the RSS. I just came back to say thanks for the heads up because this has me thinking. Let me know what FCM says. I know my old RSS used industry standard springs so I was able to reduce spring rates on them using Eibach ERS metric springs easily. At that price...
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11-03-2020, 01:43 PM | #2032 |
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Will do
To be quite honest the stock wrx base model suspension is not that stiff really didn’t want to lower the car much but for that price $ on tire rack the h&r are cheaper than getting bilstein struts without springs But let’s see what fatcat says Thanks |
11-05-2020, 12:27 AM | #2033 |
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not sure where to post on forums. But currently running hks gt hipermax fronts and bc rears. Can anyone recommend a swift spring rate for the rear to keep the car from understeering?
fronts are currently 8k thanks |
11-07-2020, 01:23 PM | #2034 | |
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Either get a set of BC fronts or Hypermax rears to complete the set. You have two different manufactures who have completely different valving profiles. Whats your alignment at? Other suspension mods? If you can't even get a complete matching set of coilovers. you shouldn't be worrying about spring rates. |
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11-10-2020, 11:19 AM | #2035 |
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I've been looking around for the answer to this, but so far haven't found it and hoping RCE is still active enough here to get an answer: I would like to swap 18+ sti struts onto my 13 sti hatch, would I be able to use RCE's 15+ black springs? Or would the additional drop of the springs have me on the bump stops too much? If this is a usable spring/strut combo it seems like the most economic option for a reasonable drop and handling improvement for a DD
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11-10-2020, 01:10 PM | #2036 | |
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There are pics of a hatch on VA suspension on the other forum |
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11-10-2020, 02:01 PM | #2037 |
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If I used the 15+ RCE springs though, aren't those designed for the reduced bump travel of the VA struts? I believe I read that the 11-14 years experience less drop from VA struts (1/2" drop I think?) than the 08-10 years (around a full inch drop). If that is accurate the black springs would bring it to around 3/4" of drop, definitely not "slammed".
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11-10-2020, 02:55 PM | #2038 | |
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https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2843327 Last edited by LL25t; 11-10-2020 at 03:01 PM. |
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11-10-2020, 03:59 PM | #2039 | |
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11-10-2020, 04:21 PM | #2040 | |
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https://www.iwsti.com/threads/would-...6/post-4293522 Obviously ppl like to tinker around and some choose to add lowering springs to this setup. Is it recommend by RCE? No. At the end of the day, it is best to buy parts specific for your car. However, if your are on a budget, OEM VA struts/shocks is a good replacement for a high mileage GR STI still on OE shocks. Don't believe RCE has ever tested this set up so any feedback you are looking for is from the few in that nasioc thread who are running this set up. |
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11-23-2020, 10:05 PM | #2041 |
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I just ordered a set of the GT Works Trophy Cup coilovers for my 2017. I have only found one review of them on here, but they were highly recommended by Myles at RCE when I spoke to him via email and text a few months ago. I will post my impressions once I get them in.
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12-15-2020, 08:35 PM | #2042 |
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Is there a difference in WRX springs and STi springs ?
Looking at the whiteline site they have Sub007 for STI that lower 15mm and Sub008 for WRX that lower 20mm. Are sti struts the same or shorter than WRX? I know they are inverted mono tube but are they the direct swap for WRX? These are clearly different springs going of the pictures. [IMG] [/IMG] |
01-14-2021, 06:58 PM | #2043 |
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Read through this thread, saw mention of a 2018 thread but couldn't find it so I'm guessing it was never created;
2018 WRX Base Model, stock suspension wise on stock 17" Dunlops. Aligned, zero toe, front Camber is -1.5deg. Like the car and it suits my DD needs well all year round (snows up here). My only quibble after some time defining it is steering feel specifically vague initial turn in, we can't narrow the cause in the system down further than that without replacing things. I'd like to fix it with the minimal sacrifice with compliance, ride etc and wondering if anyone had done the same and could provide some feedback. Planning to replace the stock 17" with 18" Forged RGR's and Michelin P4S in the spring. Curious what if any difference that will make on it's own. Next I was thinking of replacing the stock dampened Wrx steering linkage with the rigid Sti one. Finally was looking at sway bars. Was originally thinking of only replacing the rear up one size but for front end response it would likely need a front bar as well. Some of my driving (backroads, downtown) is over uneven surfaces and don't want the side to side bobble head effect any more than I need to. I won't be tracking it (building something else for that) but mostly use it for DD'ing and some fun backroad driving. Last edited by evilWagon; 01-14-2021 at 10:01 PM. |
01-17-2021, 07:22 PM | #2044 |
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PS4S are certainly not going to improve turn in feel. They're great tires but the soft sidewalls are probably their only let down.
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01-18-2021, 07:10 AM | #2045 |
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01-18-2021, 09:10 AM | #2046 | |
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01-24-2021, 02:12 AM | #2047 |
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Got them in along with Whiteline LCA's, Whiteline rear toe arms, Whiteline front camber bolts and the Whiteline bump-steer kit. I will post pics and a more in-depth review after I get the car aligned on Wednesday, but long story short, they're STIFF, but I love the ride. The car feels completely different, however, my alignment is all F'd up from installing all new parts (especially rear toe), so I'm trying to drive my beater ('08 Mazdaspeed3) until I can get to the alignment shop. I forgot to take stock ride height measurements, but I will get some after measurements for you. I am planning on going 1.5 deg camber all around with 0 toe. Any objections to that plan?
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01-24-2021, 08:25 AM | #2048 |
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I'm basically going for the same setup, but I may swap out the RCE Trophy for some Flatout CS's. That looks really good. Those Whiteline toe arms look pretty stout.
As far as alignment specifications, what are you doing with the car? An alignment is a bit different between a drag car and an HPDE car. |
01-24-2021, 11:58 AM | #2049 | |
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01-24-2021, 04:05 PM | #2050 |
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I'd go as close to stock as you can get then. And then dial in as much camber as you can at the front wheels. Then match it or just a bit less camber at the rear. I prefer zero toe on these cars at all four corners, but I autox at least once a month.
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