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03-28-2019, 10:32 PM | #226 |
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EDIT: is it needed that the rivet used is for STRUCTURAL use and not just any rivet that can be bought for cheap like home depot?
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04-04-2019, 08:50 PM | #227 |
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my 2009 WRX started making this click almost a year ago and my dumb ass just ignored it. It finally gave out a couple weeks ago and my dealer is scheduled to fix it (they say they're gonna try to get SOA to cover 100%). My question is; has anyone had any ill effects on their clutch or otherwise from this?
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04-04-2019, 09:11 PM | #228 |
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04-05-2019, 09:14 AM | #229 | |
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What you find at Home Depot or similar is fine. There are better rivets out there (like Cherry Rivets used in aircraft) but the price is high and you need a more expensive install tool. |
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04-08-2019, 09:21 AM | #230 |
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Can anyone say whether 1/8" diameter rivets will work? 1/8" steel rivets are readily available, 3/16" I'd need to order. I just want to make sure that extra 1/16 is worth it
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04-08-2019, 10:02 PM | #231 |
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UPDATE: I just finished the weld fix using the rivet method and my clutch pedal WAS silent...last night. I went to go drive today and it's squeaking louder than ever. I'm going to take it back apart tonight and see how the rivets look after a bunch of clutch pushes. If they look fine I guess I'll order 3/16" rivets and grind out all of the 1/8 ones. Ugh, I'm so pissed right now.
I used 1/8" steel rivets since they were on the shelf at Home Depot and the ***8216;straight angle' rivet gun from harbor freight. Bought a new metal drill bit and didn't find it difficult at all to drill through, maybe 10 seconds per spot? Total cost was $26 for everything and it only took 45 minutes start to finish with everything back on the car. Last edited by pearljam11; 04-09-2019 at 10:52 AM. |
04-10-2019, 09:26 PM | #232 |
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The 08-14 Spot Welds Thread (How to Check Your Welds)
Update - so perhaps my squeak wasn’t the dreaded spot weld creak although I had indents at 4/6 welds. I got under the dash and was pushing the clutch while watch the upper 2 rivets at the bracket and it wasn’t flexing.
I was still getting a squeak/groan but it was from around the clutch master cylinder area. So today I grabbed white lithium grease and sprayed into the master cylinder where the fork goes through the firewall. That didn’t really seem to make much of a change so I also bled the clutch and that seemed to do the trick or maybe it was a combination of both. Either way I’m shifting quietly for now, fingers crossed. |
04-12-2019, 03:02 PM | #233 | |
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perhaps try checking your pedal assembly as i heard it can have hairline crack from there as well when the firewall weakens Cheers |
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04-15-2019, 09:21 AM | #234 |
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I poked around under there and didn't see any hairline cracks. It seems like the sound is coming right from the clutch master cylinder. I took a video with my phone and you can see the master cylinder moving slightly as I push the clutch in.
I am considering one of the aftermarket clutch master cylinder braces right now. Not sure if I want to risk $135 though on something that might not fix the issue. |
04-18-2019, 08:07 AM | #235 |
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UPDATE - FIXED
I originally thought it was the classic failing spot welds at the firewall and riveted all 6 welds but that didn't do the trick. My noise is more of a squeak/squeal and not similar to the noises in the failing spot welds videos. I also checked the pedal assembly and didn't find any broken parts. I have also bled the clutch and lubricated what I think was inside of the boot of the master cylinder where the fork passes through the firewall with white lithium grease. Still no change. So after resolving that it couldn't be any of the aforementioned areas I started to look at the slave cylinder since it moves as well. I applied white lithium grease under the little boot on the slave cylinder but that made no improvement either. So I looked at the next moving part that I hadn't greased yet, the clutch fork that dips into the bell housing. After applying a boatload of grease down into the hole (covered by a big rubber boot cover) the noise went away after a few minutes of driving. I checked my car again this morning and it's dead silent. Over the last few times I had thought I had fixed it, it would be back in the morning when the car is cold again. I guess once I had been driving a while and the car was sitting the squeaky area would get warmed up enough to make less noise. Here's a video of the noise before I fixed it, after riveting, clutch bleed, master cylinder lube, etc. |
05-27-2019, 09:28 PM | #236 | |
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05-28-2019, 07:38 PM | #237 |
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Actually the squeaking noise went away after a day of normal driving so never mind.
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05-29-2019, 07:07 AM | #238 |
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Reflected image has the instructions posted if anyone is still looking but it looks like these brackets are out of stock. Anyone have one they haven't installed and want to sell?
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06-25-2019, 11:55 AM | #239 |
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So I've fallen victim to the clutch squeak at its worst, as I type this my 09 WRX is sitting in my driveway unable to shift into first or reverse.
I replaced the clutch master cylinder and clutch slave cylinder. Replacing the master cylinder was overkill and most likely unneeded, but the slave cylinder was shot. However after replacing both and bleeding the crap out of the system, the car is still unable to move. Clutch pedal still sticks to the floor and will only spring back if I pull it by hand or give it a nudge with my foot so now I'm looking at drilling out the tack welds and installing bolts to secure the clutch pedal bracket. I posted a link to the photo below to show what I found when I removed the windshield wiper cowling, it looks like the previous owner tried to tackle this issue (and failed) and when they were done doing whatever the hell they were doing, they sprayed the entire area with black sealant so I can't see exactly where the tack welds are. My question is, do you have to drill exactly where the tack welds are in order for this repair to work, or can I drill approximately where I think the tack welds are and still be okay? I couldn't find a diagram showing exactly how the clutch pedal bracket was installed or what it even looks like to see how accurate I need to be when drilling. Any advice or insight would be greatly appreciated!!! |
06-25-2019, 11:57 AM | #240 |
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...Looks like the link to my image didn't post, however just use your imagination and know that the tack welds aren't visible
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06-26-2019, 03:29 PM | #241 |
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So update for those that have this issue after me. I was able to cut and scrape the sealant off to reveal the welds. I looks like a previous owner did a repair and welded the bracket in again and half the welds failed.
I was able to drill out the top two so far and I used a telescoping magnet to feed the bolts through the dash, an idea that was posted way earlier in this thread for the win! |
07-17-2019, 02:45 PM | #242 |
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Wish me luck dudes. Starting this process after work today.
+ Bought 2 handed rivet gun from Harbor Fright. + Mcmaster Carr structural pop rivets came in yesterday. Only 10 so I can mess up 4 times. + New pedal assembly was picked up at lunch from local Subie stealership. + ITS transmissions bracket should be here soon. HURRY UP UPS! - It's 90° F and 80% humidity - 2 or 3 of the welds are not a straight shot with the longer rivet gun, not even sure the hydraulic one would have the clearance. I'm wondering if I can drill new holes next to the spot welds??? Anybody know? Probably won't take any progress pics, too busy cussing and sweating. |
10-20-2019, 05:48 PM | #243 |
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Just curious, but has anyone tried the Rallitek version of the clutch master brace?
It's a bit cheaper than the Circuit Motorsports one. https://www.rallitek.com/braces/1061...2008-2011.html I plan on doing both braces for now. I just picked up a 2012 WRX about a month ago and the clutch pedal is quiet. Haven't had time to look at the welds but I figured the braces should go on as insurance anyways. If I'm lucky it's already been taken care of lol |
11-02-2019, 06:20 AM | #244 |
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2013 Wrx
So I too ignored this noise until finally my car stopped shifting all together. Clutch hose was leaking and during the bleed process my master started moving 5-6” with every movement of the pedal. So my question is: will the bracket kit fix the problem? Or will I need a pedal assembly Replaced and firewall repaired?
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11-03-2019, 08:35 PM | #245 | ||
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My Spot Weld Experience 2009 WRX
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I replaced my failed spot welds with stainless steel M6x1.0 bolts, washers, and nylon locking nuts. Used structural adhesive to help secure the pedal bracket to firewall, take up any gaps between the two pieces and prevent any movement on the hardware. New pedal box, which came painted from my preferred Subaru dealer, got the ITS Pedal Support Bracket and Circuit Motorsports Clutch Master Brace treatment too. Hideous popcorn tack welds under the red paint are from my local Subaru dealer attempting a "repair" several years ago (under warranty) Crack in the pedal box front taking all the strain My Subie dealer had the pedal box in stock, it was already painted, came with both clutch switches but not the brake switch. It's easy to swap and adjust so no problem. Most people don't do anything with the seventh spot weld (just to the right of the top two) and I didn't either. Didn't feel like there was enough material left of the bracket to use a bolt and secure it. ITS bracket installed, I painted the edges red to stand out in pictures Circuit Motorsports Clutch Master Brace installed. You can see the gap on the left near pitch stop mounting that could be filled in to help spread some load. Very happy with the results, she also got a new clutch/flywheel which feels great, so I finally get to enjoy driving my car again after a very long time babying it around with these issues. Last edited by Saden; 02-25-2024 at 10:31 PM. Reason: New image links from NASIOC because Imgur got lame. And another fix for the images because Nasioc hosting got lame |
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12-01-2019, 05:29 PM | #246 | |
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The 08-14 Spot Welds Thread (How to Check Your Welds)
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What’s your opinion on the circuit Motorsports brace vs. the Perrin or Grimmspeed? I have the ITS just haven’t installed it yet |
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12-04-2019, 06:34 PM | #247 | |
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That being said I do have the Grimmspeed Brake Master Brace and chose it over the Perrin model because it has significantly more material in it's construction and better mounting points in my opinion. |
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12-04-2019, 08:41 PM | #248 | |
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I’m an idiot wasn’t even paying attention that it was clutch brace. But that makes sense. Glad to hear input on the brake brace though as that is what I was thinking. |
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01-13-2020, 10:31 PM | #249 |
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01-14-2020, 01:13 AM | #250 |
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No Dash Removal Process
Hey guys,
I made a video of the process and parts I came up with. I have the grimspeed brake master cylinder brace, circuit clutch master brace, ITS mount, and newly updated version of the clutch pedal assembly, and the firewall still ripped on me. I did not remove any part of the dash, done 4 in 1.5 hours with video capture. Have a look if you are bored and would like to save the hassle of removing the dash or using rivets, both of which personally scare me: EDIT: here is my website with the kits ready to ship: https://www.humblerumble.ca/ Thanks for reading! Peter Last edited by after5hock; 01-31-2020 at 11:29 PM. Reason: update with website |
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